Necromancer, Sorcerer + ??

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I am just back to the game, what is a good combo for a summoner build? Is it worth to get bokor?

[Darth Cannabis]

Well I am personally not a fan of the sorcerer with necromancer. Mostly its just I find the idea of using 2 different grimoires cringeworthy from a roleplay perspective, but also I find the summoner is so focused in on that one big summon, (as well as their own additional ones) that skeletons or zombies are a largely unneeded addition.

The full 3 combo, does seem popular with those afk (other than that 1 button tap every min) farmers, (and that may account additional for my distaste of the full 3 combo), but I do love how well the bokor, combines with necromancer for that full undead army. Zombies are simply great fodder filler, for the skeletons and sheogath. In additon the hex and effigy combo, themes nicely into necromancers, since the hex, has an attribute to increase the dark damage taken (which your zombies and skeletons, happen to do). Then the effigy itself, is a nice damage spike for when your summons are out of action.

I can't comment on the use of the zombie dances, as I am more focused on the curse and hex, and just use the zoms as fodder troops, that compliment skeletons (final class on that one will be feather) but overall I would say bokor is worth it. Hexes increase to dark damage, at the very least will give a boost to damage done by some of your summons, particularly when stacked with the necromancers skill.

Just be sure not to be mistaken, for one of those afk farmers, that block quest objectives. There's one spot in Forest of Prayer that they like to set up, right next to an altar people need to lure enemies to and kill near. Those full summon farmers, are highly inconsiderate to questers.

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Originally posted by Darth Cannabis:

Well I am personally not a fan of the sorcerer with necromancer. Mostly its just I find the idea of using 2 different grimoires cringeworthy from a roleplay perspective, but also I find the summoner is so focused in on that one big summon, (as well as their own additional ones) that skeletons or zombies are a largely unneeded addition.

The full 3 combo, does seem popular with those afk (other than that 1 button tap every min) farmers, (and that may account additional for my distaste of the full 3 combo), but I do love how well the bokor, combines with necromancer for that full undead army. Zombies are simply great fodder filler, for the skeletons and sheogath. In additon the hex and effigy combo, themes nicely into necromancers, since the hex, has an attribute to increase the dark damage taken (which your zombies and skeletons, happen to do). Then the effigy itself, is a nice damage spike for when your summons are out of action.

I can't comment on the use of the zombie dances, as I am more focused on the curse and hex, and just use the zoms as fodder troops, that compliment skeletons (final class on that one will be feather) but overall I would say bokor is worth it. Hexes increase to dark damage, at the very least will give a boost to damage done by some of your summons, particularly when stacked with the necromancers skill.

Just be sure not to be mistaken, for one of those afk farmers, that block quest objectives. There's one spot in Forest of Prayer that they like to set up, right next to an altar people need to lure enemies to and kill near. Those full summon farmers, are highly inconsiderate to questers.

I decided to go for Sorcerer + Necro + bokor, cuz of stats, so i could focus full summon as my previus build, also, these 3 classes add the most % to spr stats, I am way too lost in this new game, but I guess this choice made sense to me

[Altolong]

Necromancer and Sorcerer need good cards to do well (Shoggoth and Summons respectively). I'd say pick one summoner and a dps class. Later on, switch to full summoner when you have better cards and ranks in the subclasses. For reference, I'm currently using Pyromancer + Bokor. Enchant Fire grants fire damage to my zombies. I can fire off fire skills while my zombies aggro the enemies a bit. Another thing is that you'll need lots of sp potions to make summoners work.

[caelcyndar5]

Originally posted by Altolong:

Necromancer and Sorcerer need good cards to do well (Shoggoth and Summons respectively). I'd say pick one summoner and a dps class. Later on, switch to full summoner when you have better cards and ranks in the subclasses. For reference, I'm currently using Pyromancer + Bokor. Enchant Fire grants fire damage to my zombies. I can fire off fire skills while my zombies aggro the enemies a bit. Another thing is that you'll need lots of sp potions to make summoners work.

Where are good spots to even get the dang cards? Character lvl70, Sorcer Lvl27 and get to find a single card anywhere.

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Well, I am level 350, I had a necro + sorc build before, so I already had cards

[Darth Cannabis]

Originally posted by caelcyndar5:

Originally posted by Altolong:

Necromancer and Sorcerer need good cards to do well (Shoggoth and Summons respectively). I'd say pick one summoner and a dps class. Later on, switch to full summoner when you have better cards and ranks in the subclasses. For reference, I'm currently using Pyromancer + Bokor. Enchant Fire grants fire damage to my zombies. I can fire off fire skills while my zombies aggro the enemies a bit. Another thing is that you'll need lots of sp potions to make summoners work.

Where are good spots to even get the dang cards? Character lvl70, Sorcer Lvl27 and get to find a single card anywhere.

You should run the level 50 dungeon (be sure to 100%) and stock up on cubes. Open them, until you get the boss' card.

There used to quite a few quests, where bosses dropped their cards, but anymore, it dungeons and field bosses. The cubes collected from them, are where you can obtain cards.

[Eddie]

Well I see your mind was made up but a good idea would have been Necro Pyro something. Pryo's Fire enchant can effect the summons making them do +firedmg

[e.j]

well i am realy fond of shadowmancer as utility pick (hideing in the shadows , putting up a decoy and trap enemys). but i guess that is just my taste .

[caelcyndar5]

Kk, why do summoners suck so badly in this game? Necromancer Gather Corpse ability seems like a 50/50 chance you'll actually get any corpse fragments to even summon skeletons, zombies from Bolok walk WAY too slow, Shoggoth and Summon Familiar require uber rare cards, every single summon does ONE SINGULAR ATTACK every 3-4 seconds and I have to stand almost within melee range for them to even attack.

[Darth Cannabis]

Originally posted by caelcyndar5:

Kk, why do summoners suck so badly in this game? Necromancer Gather Corpse ability seems like a 50/50 chance you'll actually get any corpse fragments to even summon skeletons, zombies from Bolok walk WAY too slow, Shoggoth and Summon Familiar require uber rare cards, every single summon does ONE SINGULAR ATTACK every 3-4 seconds and I have to stand almost within melee range for them to even attack.

Well all theses have aspects, where one should point out the refuting aspects of.

Let's start with gather corpse. If it is seeming only 50/50, then chances are you are simply, trying to gather too immediately after the kills. With practice, I have noticed that there is a slight (only half a second to a second) delay, between death, and corpse status. Take a breath, slow down just a second, and you will find gather corpse basically 100%.

Also, your not really meant to rely solely on it. There is also the debuff skill (which gives you the one corpse immediately on kill when active), and the skeleton warrior attribute (which gives up to 5 corpses at once, on their killing blow). When you use all 3 together, you should have no problems keeping your necromancer corpse count, nice and full.

The one point on necromancer I will agree with, is the card difficulty. However, this is not the case with sorcerer. Sorcerers have a lot easier time, getting that 1st card, simply by running the level 50 dungeon a few times. Build up those cubes, and eventually, one of them will have the boss' card in it. Therefore a sorcerer can get their 1st, needed for basic function card, shortly after hitting level 50, whereas necromancer would need to be beyond lucky, an old school character (back in the day, cards were much more plentiful, and rewarded from some quests), or wait until they can enter the a higher level dungeon.

As for zombies being slow, that is why bokor has another skill that addresses that exact thing, as well as the attribute for wheelchair zombies. If you want fast zombies off the bat, what is the point of wheelchair zombies, or the Samediveve skill?

If your inexperienced, people will surely advise you and help you out, but everything (aside from you initial opinion on summoners, because, well its an opinion) you said was just plain wrong. Necromancers gather corpse is fine, your likely just impatient with it. Sorcerer's can easily get a usable card, prior to level 100 (so still low level), zombies can be sped up, and as far as them not attacking, maybe you should use the Force Attack skill.

Your still entitled to think summoners suck (its your opinion after all), but almost all the evidence following was easily refutable. The one that wasn't, (necromancer card difficulty), was weakened once you lumped sorcerer into it.

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To be honest, I don`t have a problem with corpses Oo its pretty easy to make it full...

However I am kind lost on what cards to use, I have templeshooter from my old build, but I stopped playing before the release of the legend cards. I have likr 130m but idk what cards should I get, any hints?

[Altolong]

https://wizardguidetreeofsavior.blogspot.com/2018/03/renewed-sorcerer-summon-cards-summon.html and https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/submit-arise-summon-army-the-purple-class-codex/396551