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robomagon Dec 10, 2015 @ 9:00am
A polite request for a female player character option.
It'd be neat to offer players more choice, and as long as there's no romance subplots it shouldn't require changing the story at all. Again, asking for a completely optional feature that no one has to use if they don't want to.

Try to keep politics out of this thread. Please.
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Nice of you to make a straight request instead of inserting gender politics. Good on you.
I'm going to point out that it's on the devs if they want to make a male-centric game, and the source material they're leaning on is honestly well-suited to it, so it seems likely. Female-centric games get the same leeway, so don't get frustrated if it doesn't happen. Artistic freedoms and whathaveyou. S'all good.
Osten Dec 10, 2015 @ 10:13am 
Polite bait? I don't buy it.
Originally posted by Osten:
Polite bait? I don't buy it.

Best way to disarm it is to be polite in turn.
Last edited by Kirb Your Enthusiasm; Dec 10, 2015 @ 10:14am
Osten Dec 10, 2015 @ 10:17am 
Originally posted by Kirbachev:
Originally posted by Osten:
Polite bait? I don't buy it.

Best way to disarm it is to be polite in turn.

Was I not polite? I merely stated that I do not believe that this is not more bait,
especially considering how active OP was in the previous, now deleted thread.
Originally posted by Osten:
Originally posted by Kirbachev:

Best way to disarm it is to be polite in turn.

Was I not polite? I merely stated that I do not believe that this is not more bait,
especially considering how active OP was in the previous, now deleted thread.

Oh, I didn't intend to suggest that you weren't, I was just making an observation. Politesse is kind of a win-win with anything that looks like polite bait - get potentially constructive discourse if you're wrong, defuse an idiot-bomb if you aren't.
The King in Yellow Dec 10, 2015 @ 10:55am 
I'm always for more choice in a game, but I have never seen Far Cry as much of an RPG-centric game so I wouldn't expect them to ever add character customization of any sort.

They write out a script for a specific protagonist and stick to that one character, right? I just accept that some games are the type of games that offer player choice, while others are more linear in their storyline and setting.
(Why do people consider this bait? It's an honest discussion. Just because some are asking for the same thing in irrational and rude ways doens't mean that everyone who sparks a conversation is baiting or trolling.)
robomagon Dec 10, 2015 @ 11:47am 
Originally posted by Kirbachev:
Originally posted by Osten:
Polite bait? I don't buy it.

Best way to disarm it is to be polite in turn.
I'm not selling bait. This isn't a demand or a political debate. Just a polite request for a game feature. Please respect that.

EDIT: That's not an accusation against anyone in particular. Just a reminder.
Last edited by robomagon; Dec 10, 2015 @ 11:52am
Mercuri Dec 10, 2015 @ 6:04pm 
Originally posted by robomagon:
It'd be neat to offer players more choice, and as long as there's no romance subplots it shouldn't require changing the story at all. Again, asking for a completely optional feature that no one has to use if they don't want to.

What about the sony game with the female character? No male options? What about any game with female only playable characters? Rare, but the idea still stands. If its a story based game, and they just so happened to choose a specific sex, then that is the sex, changing the sex to cater to one audience should not even be considered, even if its from female to male. If its a female, then thats what sex they wrote the game for. And as any girl gamer should know, they do this to attract their highest demographic, males. I know this as I have to always hope for character customization to make a black guy(a brown skinned guy, they've onlyh recently got that right), but like less than 20 perecnt fo black guys game, so its deal with it. I'd say less than 2 percent of girl gamers give a ♥♥♥♥ about far cry. As we know, with recent polls, most girl gamers play cell phone games.
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robomagon Dec 10, 2015 @ 6:14pm 
Originally posted by Mercuri:
Originally posted by robomagon:
It'd be neat to offer players more choice, and as long as there's no romance subplots it shouldn't require changing the story at all. Again, asking for a completely optional feature that no one has to use if they don't want to.

What about the sony game with the female character? No male options? What about any game with female only playable characters? Rare, but the idea still stands. If its a story based game, and they just so happened to choose a specific sex, then that is the sex, changing the sex to cater to one audience should not even be considered, even if its from female to male. If its a female, then thats what sex they wrote the game for. And as any girl gamer should know, they do this to attract their highest demographic, males. I know this as I have to always hope for character customization to make a black guy(a brown skinned guy, they've onlyh recently got that right), but like less than 20 perecnt fo black guys game, so its deal with it. I'd say less than 2 percent of girl gamers give a ♥♥♥♥ about far cry. As we know, with recent polls, most girl gamers play cell phone games.
I'm generally against female-only games as well unless there's a really good reason for it. Mass Effect and Dragon Age are both proof enough that you can have a heavily story-based game and still offer player choice.

P.S. - I'm not a girl gamer. Neither are 99% of female avatars you see online or in games.
Mercuri Dec 10, 2015 @ 6:24pm 
Originally posted by robomagon:
Originally posted by Mercuri:

What about the sony game with the female character? No male options? What about any game with female only playable characters? Rare, but the idea still stands. If its a story based game, and they just so happened to choose a specific sex, then that is the sex, changing the sex to cater to one audience should not even be considered, even if its from female to male. If its a female, then thats what sex they wrote the game for. And as any girl gamer should know, they do this to attract their highest demographic, males. I know this as I have to always hope for character customization to make a black guy(a brown skinned guy, they've onlyh recently got that right), but like less than 20 perecnt fo black guys game, so its deal with it. I'd say less than 2 percent of girl gamers give a ♥♥♥♥ about far cry. As we know, with recent polls, most girl gamers play cell phone games.
I'm generally against female-only games as well unless there's a really good reason for it. Mass Effect and Dragon Age are both proof enough that you can have a heavily story-based game and still offer player choice.

P.S. - I'm not a girl gamer. Neither are 99% of female avatars you see online or in games.

Preface: Never said you were a girl gamer, I've seen the effects of ppl thinking gamers are girls, although I have a few girls as gaming friends, with that knowledge I assume everyone online is a guy. You should've taken in this information from the percentages I gave you in my OP.

The fact that you aren't a girl and you're lobbying for the option to have a female character also says a lot. The whole I like looking at a girls ass while playing games is beyond the dumbest ♥♥♥♥ ever, are you playing the game or looking at digital ass? What's that say about you? If you just like playing as girls, then you're definitely in a niche group, as most guys play as male characters to immerse themselves.

Also, the games you mentioned create examples for a lot of mistakes most game companies develop, and I agree with you, as I'd like to play a black guy in most games.

...but at the same time, if they choose to make the protagonist male only, then its their story, for instance Jensen in DEHR, one of my fav. games, and fav. characters is male due to story, I wouldn't mind being a black Jensen, but that's just the way it is.

There is also nothing wrong you asking for more character customization, but I'm just saying that its based on the devs choice of keeping a generic personality, familiar face around throughout the storyline, and marketing purposes.
Last edited by Mercuri; Dec 10, 2015 @ 6:28pm
robomagon Dec 10, 2015 @ 6:38pm 
Originally posted by Mercuri:
Originally posted by robomagon:
I'm generally against female-only games as well unless there's a really good reason for it. Mass Effect and Dragon Age are both proof enough that you can have a heavily story-based game and still offer player choice.

P.S. - I'm not a girl gamer. Neither are 99% of female avatars you see online or in games.

Preface: Never said you were a girl gamer, I've seen the effects of ppl thinking gamers are girls, although I have a few girls as gaming friends, with that knowledge I assume everyone online is a guy. You should've taken in this information from the percentages I gave you in my OP.

The fact that you aren't a girl and you're lobbying for the option to have a female character also says a lot. The whole I like looking at a girls ass while playing games is beyond the dumbest ♥♥♥♥ ever, are you playing the game or looking at digital ass?
Both.
Originally posted by Mercuri:
What's that say about you? If you just like playing as girls, then you're definitely in a niche group, as most guys play as male characters to immerse themselves.
I assume you've never played an MMO in your life if you think guys playing female avatars is "niche"
Originally posted by Mercuri:
Also, the games you mentioned create examples for a lot of mistakes most game companies develop, and I agree with you, as I'd like to play a black guy in most games.

...but at the same time, if they choose to make the protagonist male only, then its their story, for instance Jensen in DEHR, one of my fav. games, and fav. characters is male due to story, I wouldn't mind being a black Jensen, but that's just the way it is.
The original Deus Ex let you play a black JC Denton, and if end of development time constraints hadn't prevented it, you would also have been able to play a female JC. Just like you could play a female or black Alex Denton in DX:IW. HR having a set character was simply laziness on the developers part. As well as facilitating a shoehorned "romance" subplot.
Originally posted by Mercuri:
There is also nothing wrong you asking for more character customization, but I'm just saying that its based on the devs choice of keeping a generic personality, familiar face around throughout the storyline, and marketing purposes.
Of course, it's up to the developers in the end. I'm merely making a request, not a demand. I have no real power to do so even if I wanted to, save deciding how much I'm willing to spend on the finished product based on the features it has or doesn't have.
Mercuri Dec 10, 2015 @ 7:06pm 
Originally posted by robomagon:
Originally posted by Mercuri:

Preface: Never said you were a girl gamer, I've seen the effects of ppl thinking gamers are girls, although I have a few girls as gaming friends, with that knowledge I assume everyone online is a guy. You should've taken in this information from the percentages I gave you in my OP.

The fact that you aren't a girl and you're lobbying for the option to have a female character also says a lot. The whole I like looking at a girls ass while playing games is beyond the dumbest ♥♥♥♥ ever, are you playing the game or looking at digital ass?
Both.
Originally posted by Mercuri:
What's that say about you? If you just like playing as girls, then you're definitely in a niche group, as most guys play as male characters to immerse themselves.

I assume you've never played an MMO in your life if you think guys playing female avatars is "niche"


Originally posted by Mercuri:
I played ffxi for 6 years, the only mmo I really cared about, but that game showed, me as I started it in highschool, that most female avatars in MMOs are guys, as there was a guy who posed as a girl, had another guy fall in love with him and almost commited suiicide over it.

I've played mmos, and know that in the mmo world thats common, BUT is this an mmo? LoL, did you just pull twisted world mmo out of your ass to counter the idea that many guys play as guys for immersion? There are no real statistics to prove this, just the idea that we both know some guys play as female avatars in mmos, but I doubt that's enough to prove that your group of gamers playing to stare at digital ass is not niche.

Originally posted by Mercuri:
Also, the games you mentioned create examples for a lot of mistakes most game companies develop, and I agree with you, as I'd like to play a black guy in most games.

...but at the same time, if they choose to make the protagonist male only, then its their story, for instance Jensen in DEHR, one of my fav. games, and fav. characters is male due to story, I wouldn't mind being a black Jensen, but that's just the way it is.

The original Deus Ex let you play a black JC Denton, and if end of development time constraints hadn't prevented it, you would also have been able to play a female JC. Just like you could play a female or black Alex Denton in DX:IW. HR having a set character was simply laziness on the developers part. As well as facilitating a shoehorned "romance" subplot.


Originally posted by Mercuri:
The romance could play into the devs intention though, the romance gave us "some?lol" incentive to care about finding Megan? That was Adam's motivation right? lol, everything else he did was to keep Sarif at bay as an employee, I'd say he cared more about Megan than Sarif Industries. LoL. I didn't really like the original Deus, as DEHR was my first.

Originally posted by Mercuri:

There is also nothing wrong you asking for more character customization, but I'm just saying that its based on the devs choice of keeping a generic personality, familiar face around throughout the storyline, and marketing purposes.

Of course, it's up to the developers in the end. I'm merely making a request, not a demand. I have no real power to do so even if I wanted to, save deciding how much I'm willing to spend on the finished product based on the features it has or doesn't have.
Last edited by Mercuri; Dec 10, 2015 @ 7:09pm
The Met4l God Dec 10, 2015 @ 7:53pm 
Originally posted by robomagon:
It'd be neat to offer players more choice, and as long as there's no romance subplots it shouldn't require changing the story at all. Again, asking for a completely optional feature that no one has to use if they don't want to.

Try to keep politics out of this thread. Please.
Why would romance subplots be a deal breaker? The Mass Effect franchise (and I'm sure there are others) worked around that.

Unless you're confusing arks/chapters/acts/etc. with subplots, subplots wouldn't impact the main story since they would be separate from the main story.
robomagon Dec 10, 2015 @ 7:59pm 
Originally posted by The American Dream:
Originally posted by robomagon:
It'd be neat to offer players more choice, and as long as there's no romance subplots it shouldn't require changing the story at all. Again, asking for a completely optional feature that no one has to use if they don't want to.

Try to keep politics out of this thread. Please.
Why would romance subplots be a deal breaker? The Mass Effect franchise (and I'm sure there are others) worked around that.

Unless you're confusing arks/chapters/acts/etc. with subplots, subplots wouldn't impact the main story since they would be separate from the main story.
A very ham-fisted example would be Star Trek: Elite Force 2. They shoehorned in a couple optional "romances" and that was their excuse for getting rid of the female option that existed in the first game.
Originally posted by robomagon:
A very ham-fisted example would be Star Trek: Elite Force 2. They shoehorned in a couple optional "romances" and that was their excuse for getting rid of the female option that existed in the first game.

You just reminded me that I need to go back and finish EF2. I recall both those games quite a lot, dunno why I dropped it.


For the DX: HR remark, I'm not sure I'd call it laziness. There was a considerable amount of visible effort put into making Adam a relatively well-fleshed out character, ESPECIALLY for an action-heavy game, despite the stereotypical gravelly voice. He has widow's peaks, for instance. He looks somewhat aged, and not just from seeing combat - the dude looks his actual age. There are elements to his design that you don't typically see in ANY protagonists. The designers went out of their way to make him seem human, which I suppose was the whole point given the subject matter. Won't deny that an Eve Jensen (since Ubi were very clearly following on from Jesus Christ Denton in the original game) may have been interesting, but there's always the spectre of underachievement that splitting time and resources can bring. Focusing on a single male protagonist may have been what worked out in the end.
My point is that it's not just a matter of what might suit the game - although I have reservations about the viability of a prehistoric female hunter, I'm just not sure that's a thing that happened much, if at all - it's also a matter of maintaining focus on the things central to the game, the relevant themes, and the mechanics involved, to ensure that it all comes out as smoothly and coherently as possible. Because quite frankly, feature creep can utterly spoil a game's development process, and as callous as it might sound, there are times when elements of player choice can fall into that category.
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