Before You Hate, Read This.

[Modern Jazz]

The movie is about how the gaming culture is defensive and hostile towards females and LGBT individuals. Any hate will just add more proof to the huge pile we already have.

[That Guy]

so this is a "dont criticize us or you're a biggot" defense . this movie is made by attention ♥♥♥♥♥♥ . there i counter your moral high ground card with reality

the industry isnt hostile toward any one . dont blame your lack of success on others . you guys dont know how to make a good game and think your sjw stuff is enough to sell a product

[Modern Jazz]

Originally posted by No One:

so this is a "dont criticize us or you're a biggot" defense . this movie is made by attention ♥♥♥♥♥♥ . there i counter your moral high ground card with reality

the industry isnt hostile toward any one . dont blame your lack of success on others . you guys dont know how to make a good game and think your sjw stuff is enough to sell a product

No, feel free to criticize the movie with proof, statistics, or calm debate. But homophobic slurs and insults just prove the movie's point. Critcizing the movie with something like "I think homosexuality is wrong therefore you shouldn't make any movies about it" is not healthy debate.

[Leonard]

Well,it is true that homosexuality is barely represented in the gaming industrie.
Hostility is definatly the wrong way to go but being self-centered and pretentions also won't make anything better (not saying that this movie is,I haven't watched it).

[doctor_orpheus]

Originally posted by Coffee Ray Gun:

The movie is about how the gaming culture is defensive and hostile towards females and LGBT individuals. Any hate will just add more proof to the huge pile we already have.

Now maybe at 33, I'm a little older than your average Steam user, but I'll say this when I first came out of the closet it went pretty badly. I was pretty much rejected by everyone in my life except for my two friends who were really into gaming. Are there gamers who are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Yes, like every other group of people, but in my experience gamers have been more accepting than most groups of people. I think any backlash that's being witnessed has way more to do with gamers being sick of being unfairly told how awful they are than anything else.

[Alpherior]

Originally posted by Leonard:

Well,it is true that homosexuality is barely represented in the gaming industrie.
Hostility is definatly the wrong way to go but being self-centered and pretentions also won't make anything better (not saying that this movie is,I haven't watched it).

Yeah, but games don't need to represent anyone, really. Art doesn't exist for validating your existance, be it LGBT, straight, black, white, whatever. It says a lot knowing how many people (of many different backgrounds or personalities and what have you, including LGBT gamers) don't ask for representation, so it bothers me when either documentaries or people try to speak for everyone.

[Modern Jazz]

Originally posted by doctor_orpheus:

Originally posted by Coffee Ray Gun:

The movie is about how the gaming culture is defensive and hostile towards females and LGBT individuals. Any hate will just add more proof to the huge pile we already have.

Now maybe at 33, I'm a little older than your average Steam user, but I'll say this when I first came out of the closet it went pretty badly. I was pretty much rejected by everyone in my life except for my two friends who were really into gaming. Are there gamers who are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Yes, like every other group of people, but in my experience gamers have been more accepting than most groups of people. I think any backlash that's being witnessed has way more to do with gamers being sick of being unfairly told how awful they are than anything else.

I totally agree, I've found that most gamers are pretty progressive.

However, there will always be trolls and bigots, my post was just attempting to stave off as many of them as possible.

[Thidran [MCT]]

You do realize that even in the off chance that the bulk of people here aren't going to cause controversy with colourful language, that they'd just hire a black PR firm to manufacture it, right? You haven't figured this out by now? I'm surprised. How else do you think that they get those stories out in such a timely manner in the news? End result by the way is Citogenesis.

[Alpherior]

Originally posted by Coffee Ray Gun:

I totally agree, I've found that most gamers are pretty progressive.

However, there will always be trolls and bigots, my post was just attempting to stave off as many of them as possible.

It's not that you shouldn't care about this, because you should, but you might as well wait for them to actually show up if they ever do. Until this is seen, nobody should be jumping the gun on this.

[Clifford]

Good idea for a video. Is the description supposed to be quirky? Sounds a bit immature but if it's meant to be fun, that's cool.

Doesn't bother me what anyone is anyhow. If you're friendly to one-another, that's all good.

[Modern Jazz]

Originally posted by Alpherior:

Originally posted by Coffee Ray Gun:

I totally agree, I've found that most gamers are pretty progressive.

However, there will always be trolls and bigots, my post was just attempting to stave off as many of them as possible.

It's not that you shouldn't care about this, because you should, but you might as well wait for them to actually show up if they ever do. Until this is seen, nobody should be jumping the gun on this.

They did, but they were banned.

Their posts were full of slurs, and were very hateful. No logical arguments, just hate.

Originally posted by Thidran MCT:

You do realize that even in the off chance that the bulk of people here aren't going to cause controversy with colourful language, that they'd just hire a black PR firm to manufacture it, right? You haven't figured this out by now? I'm surprised. How else do you think that they get those stories out in such a timely manner in the news? End result by the way is Citogenesis.

My sarcasm detector broke a couple days ago, can anyone help me with this post?

[Alpherior]

Originally posted by Coffee Ray Gun:

Originally posted by Alpherior:

It's not that you shouldn't care about this, because you should, but you might as well wait for them to actually show up if they ever do. Until this is seen, nobody should be jumping the gun on this.

They did, but they were banned.

Their posts were full of slurs, and were very hateful. No logical arguments, just hate

Really? Because I saw both of the threads that were deleted. Neither of them were hatred nor had slurs. Not like we need a tone police either way...

[Modern Jazz]

Originally posted by Alpherior:

Originally posted by Coffee Ray Gun:

They did, but they were banned.

Their posts were full of slurs, and were very hateful. No logical arguments, just hate

Really? Because I saw both of the threads that were deleted. Neither of them were hatred nor had slurs. Not like we need a tone police either way...

Maybe we'll disagree on this, but equating homosexuality with pedophilia is not hate?

[Thidran [MCT]]

Originally posted by Thidran MCT:

You do realize that even in the off chance that the bulk of people here aren't going to cause controversy with colourful language, that they'd just hire a black PR firm to manufacture it, right? You haven't figured this out by now? I'm surprised. How else do you think that they get those stories out in such a timely manner in the news? End result by the way is Citogenesis.

My sarcasm detector broke a couple days ago, can anyone help me with this post? [/quote]

That's not sarcasm. A "recent" example is how Brianna Wu got national television coverage, despite more credible threats happening to others, and how obviously exaggerated her claims were even at the start. The end result is it's on Wikipedia as fact despite the narrative full of holes.

It's a common issue in media in general, let alone gaming media. Full of propaganda instead of actual journalism.

http://xkcd.com/978/ Here's a comic of it in action.

[Alpherior]

Originally posted by Coffee Ray Gun:

Originally posted by Alpherior:

Really? Because I saw both of the threads that were deleted. Neither of them were hatred nor had slurs. Not like we need a tone police either way...

Maybe we'll disagree on this, but equating homosexuality with pedophilia is not hate?

He was making a point that nobody needs games to acknowledge their existence ("_____ists exists so they should be represented too!") but you got too caught up in shock value of his word choice. You may not be in a position to call for level-headed adult conversation if you're going to make such a fuss about people's presentation.

[Thidran [MCT]]

Originally posted by Coffee Ray Gun:

Originally posted by Alpherior:

Really? Because I saw both of the threads that were deleted. Neither of them were hatred nor had slurs. Not like we need a tone police either way...

Maybe we'll disagree on this, but equating homosexuality with pedophilia is not hate?

It's not, although it is quite ignorant. Hate requires more effort than that.