damned bad design?

[Vibes]

He usually has the highest evil making the misfortune cards kinda weak since they hit the highest malice player so playing them on the risk spot just makes it so you are more likely to get hit by two misfortunes at the same time.

[[PHNX]Kordarus]

Only Karma which is one of the 4 cards you can play on the misfortune spot target the highest malice player...

Honestly if i play the damned and get a karma while i,m the highest malice, i just use it for movement.

There is also some time you want a misfortune to show up, especially with the actual ranking system where you see the next misfortune. I used the lesser evil to pick the snap election while I knew I would win it.

Framed and Life insurance are also very usefull to use on risk spot if you don,t want to land on a misfortune spot.

[jack_was]

There are also some global misfortunes which can harm your competition as well. You may want to trigger them even with Karma!

[Dr. John Snow]

"A Visit of the President" comes to mind!

[ハードボイルド]

And retribution...

[Vibes]

i mean what is the strategy with damned ? he doesnt seem too good to make money since he get malice. hunting other player takes time and might make them just pissed off at you and target you all game. Playing inferno cards is nice but its rare.

[ハードボイルド]

What is the strategy behind the Gambler or the Engineer? Answer this and then you can understand what is strong in the Damned.

[Standard of Ur]

The damned is only difficult to handle, not weak.

[Vibes]

Gambler = gamble, dice roll everything except when it would ♥♥♥♥ you.

Engineer = sell your cog, invest money then build everything with 5 cogs or more

I dont see how any of them translates to damned?

[jack_was]

The Damned is about misfortune control - you can pass misfortune spots at least without taking the worst possible harm while your malice is highest. It is not granted however and you can be (deliberately or not) cut off from this skill. It is the moment when you can use Karma! at risk spots to attack the competition even with 2 misfortunes if you buy an insurance and roll 1.
Not to mention other Misfortune spot cards played from risk spots.
The skill can be confusing because regardless of you played Misfortune card or not you still have to face risk spot instructions.
Not many Inferno cards? Well 3 Chaos cards await your arrival and especially at the Clockwork Colony you can make small circles from Inferno to Inferno triggering 2 misfortunes each time. Remember that misfortune management is also about which one was not activated till their deck is reshuffled.

[martians]

Originally posted by Tribute:

i mean what is the strategy with damned ?

One of the tips I can give is: get those votes. You can't usually hoard money because there are cards and misfortunes that have you lose them in proportion to malevolence, and your bribes are high as well. So votes are a good alternative. They are harder to lose. Some high-value cards cost votes only. Even if you fail to become a governor, you can always spend them to play Chaos cards or mess with your opponents.

Play Inferno cards. That's it.

There are a lot of cards and permanents that give you money, even if your income gets negated by high bribes.

Be mobile. Go to Hell from any risk tile via Lesser Evil - pretty damn good option.

Be bad. Playing the Damned is not a cog gain race, it's about messing up the opponens' plans. Send misfortunes from risk tiles. Usurp a governor's position and collect bribes instead of paying them. Get some votes and go grab the opponen's cogs and money. Also, recently devs increased the reward for sending the opponent to jail via conflict - now you get the whole 2 cogs for it. Go get 'em. I earned 8 cogs like this in one of recent games. Feels pretty effective.

Finally, Damned is a fun character. You don't farm rating with him, but he's very satisfying to play in other ways.

[Standard of Ur]

Thanks for How to control the Damned at AMS from me that is the top10 in the 4seasons at AMS.

1. You had better think Connections in Chaos is not there. Basically, lower malice as much as possible. It can be said about other characters, when raising malice you should raise it with no brake at a stroke. It's often an option to receive all bribes as governor, to use chaos or hell cards, and then to finish blow. Connections in Chaos is only useful for that short term.

2. As the next misfortune can be seen, keep in mind that the Ancient Curse has become easier to use for own gains. Inflation, Forced reform, Go to hell !, subponea, unexpected election, new wind, etc. and if you're not top malice, it's easy to send a misfortune which gives big damage by Karma!.

3. The next misfortune can be seen, Also the Aggressor is easy to use. In other words, you can crush the poor who is on the other side of the central misfortune without hesitation.

4. In order to use The dark pact effectively, let's take care of Forbidden Knowledge and From Inferno with Love. The Usurper is necessary to pay attention to the timing to use. There is almost no meaning just before the election, minus 5votes are a tremendous sacrifice. Don't use a Dangerous Artifact in the beginning of the game (it's possible to say to all characters). If you use a Deal with the Devil, 15votes in the beginning of the game, 15votes or 500G in the middle and 500G or 4score in the final would be good. But, if the Agent of Chaos remains in the final, I recommend 15votes.

Well, but after all, the Damend isn't superior to the strength of the Engineer, Secret Agent, and Thief. (If anything, these 3 characters are too strong...)
Gambler is weak but easy to use in a 4players match. Because weak, he is left.
Collector and Banker are weak, but having a lot of money and income are also high, so always easy to target. they're ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at AMS.

[jack_was]

Nice set of advices on how to play the Damned efficiently. Still thinking that the design is bad?