Obama Simulator 2015?

[Twiggy]

That is what the description looks like.

[NightMareEx]

yup I was going to ask the same thing

[Polybius]

They are better presidents in Central Africa today than president Obama is.

[Grimfried]

Strange, didn't read anything about establishing atleast some kind of healthcare, ecology and closing torture facilities.

[Twiggy]

Originally posted by Polybius:

They are better presidents in Central Africa today than president Obama is.

To be honest, that really isn't saying much. Just wait until the Central Africans get armed drones...that is when the real fun will happen.

Originally posted by Grimfried:

Strange, didn't read anything about establishing atleast some kind of healthcare, ecology and closing torture facilities.

Obamacare will never work and it will end up collapsing under its own weight.

The government monetizing carbon emissions via Cap and Tax is a scam and a joke.

Torture facilities? Whatever. Maybe you would prefer we take these fanatical extremists, that want to kill you and everybody you know mind you, to Chuck E Cheese for skee ball instead.

[flagyl2]

Originally posted by Twiggy:

Obamacare will never work and it will end up collapsing under its own weight.

The government monetizing carbon emissions via Cap and Tax is a scam and a joke.

Do you have any evidence to support either of these statements?

[Twiggy]

Originally posted by flagyl2:

Originally posted by Twiggy:

Obamacare will never work and it will end up collapsing under its own weight.

The government monetizing carbon emissions via Cap and Tax is a scam and a joke.

Do you have any evidence to support either of these statements?

Yes I do. And here are just a few regarding the failure that is obamacare...

-Strong public opposition
-Insurance costs continue meteoric rise
-Too many loopholes to be effective
-31 million will remain uninsured by 2023
-Program costs continue to blow past initial estimates
-The program is run by the government
-Some States have rejected the bill
-The inability to alter the bill
-The true "Benefits" are still unclear
-Negative employee repurcussions

Other than that, all I can say is that you need to take it upon yourself to become educated on these things. I have neither the time nor the desire to explain every little detail of each of these points to you.




As far as cap and tax is concerned, once again, all you have to do is educate yourself about it. If you did, you would realize that it is pretty glaringly obvious that it is nothing more than a money grab by the government under the guise of combating "global warming" or "climate change" or whatever their catchphrase of the week happens to be.

[Grimfried]

Because of the fact, that many stay uninsured (also partly because of the opposition against it), i wrote about atleast some kind of heatlhcare. For sure it isn't really enough and should get exanped. That the programm is run by the government is really no arguement against it. It is just a fact. The police is also run by the government.
And concerning the torture: Either you have a constitution that forbids it or you don't
Concerning the carbon tax, it is far form really good, but atleast it puts pressure against coal-industry, because this is really an outdated form of gaining energy. It still is not enough, it's only the use of market alteration to steer it in the right direction, not more.

[Empress Lina]

Originally posted by flagyl2:

Originally posted by Twiggy:

Obamacare will never work and it will end up collapsing under its own weight.

The government monetizing carbon emissions via Cap and Tax is a scam and a joke.

Do you have any evidence to support either of these statements?

people still defend Obama?

[Twiggy]

The only difference between a zombie and an obamazombie is that an obamazombie has zero desire for brains. They feed purely off of emotion.

[flagyl2]

Originally posted by Twiggy:

Originally posted by flagyl2:

Do you have any evidence to support either of these statements?

Yes I do. And here are just a few regarding the failure that is obamacare...

-Strong public opposition
-Insurance costs continue meteoric rise
-Too many loopholes to be effective
-31 million will remain uninsured by 2023
-Program costs continue to blow past initial estimates
-The program is run by the government
-Some States have rejected the bill
-The inability to alter the bill
-The true "Benefits" are still unclear
-Negative employee repurcussions

Other than that, all I can say is that you need to take it upon yourself to become educated on these things. I have neither the time nor the desire to explain every little detail of each of these points to you.




As far as cap and tax is concerned, once again, all you have to do is educate yourself about it. If you did, you would realize that it is pretty glaringly obvious that it is nothing more than a money grab by the government under the guise of combating "global warming" or "climate change" or whatever their catchphrase of the week happens to be.

Sorry. I spilled water on my keyboard and the output is all messed up. I asked you to provide EVIDENCE, but obviously, you read that I wanted YOUR OPINION.

In case you aren't familiar with EVIDENCE, let me give you a few examples-
http://hrms.urban.org/briefs/Health-Insurance-Coverage-under-the-ACA-as-of-September-2014.pdf

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/44176

http://khn.org/news/more-competition-helps-restrain-premiums-in-federal-health-marketplace/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-23/uninsured-rate-falls-to-lowest-since-obamacare-implementation (we all know how liberal Bloomberg is, right?)

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43900-2015-03-ACAtables.pdf

You see what I did? And please note-I did NOT go to some blogger or partisan website. I have provided you sources that from agencies that have analyzed the data directly (aside from the Bloomberg article).

The law is not perfect, no. But it is giving those who have not had access to healthcare an opportunity to obtain it. And of course, many states who voted against the President are taking full advantage of the ACA. Some might call them simpletons or hypocrites...but I'll refrain from that.

So PLEASE do not link to an article from the National Review or some conservative, Koch brother funded site. Give me the raw data. EVIDENCE. Not OPINION.

And trust me, you do NOT want to get into anything with me about AGW.

So...when you want to provide DATA and not your opinion, let me know, ok? Thanks.

[flagyl2]

Originally posted by Justin:

Originally posted by flagyl2:

Do you have any evidence to support either of these statements?

people still defend Obama?

Not everyone. Just the intelligent people who aren't blinded by their hate of sometone who doesn't look like them.

The ones who find it hard to be analytical have issues with him though.

[flagyl2]

Originally posted by Twiggy:

Originally posted by flagyl2:

Do you have any evidence to support either of these statements?

Yes I do. And here are just a few regarding the failure that is obamacare...

-Strong public opposition
-Insurance costs continue meteoric rise
-Too many loopholes to be effective
-31 million will remain uninsured by 2023
-Program costs continue to blow past initial estimates
-The program is run by the government
-Some States have rejected the bill
-The inability to alter the bill
-The true "Benefits" are still unclear
-Negative employee repurcussions

Other than that, all I can say is that you need to take it upon yourself to become educated on these things. I have neither the time nor the desire to explain every little detail of each of these points to you.




As far as cap and tax is concerned, once again, all you have to do is educate yourself about it. If you did, you would realize that it is pretty glaringly obvious that it is nothing more than a money grab by the government under the guise of combating "global warming" or "climate change" or whatever their catchphrase of the week happens to be.

More for you-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Federal_deficit

Note how the CBO projects that the Federal deficit will be REDUCED due to the ACA.

Facts and data...pesky things.

[Empress Lina]

Originally posted by flagyl2:

Originally posted by Justin:

people still defend Obama?

Not everyone. Just the intelligent people who aren't blinded by their hate of sometone who doesn't look like them.

The ones who find it hard to be analytical have issues with him though.

dumbass lmfao. who are you voting for? hilary i take it? because that would say it all.

[flagyl2]

Originally posted by Justin:

Originally posted by flagyl2:

Not everyone. Just the intelligent people who aren't blinded by their hate of sometone who doesn't look like them.

The ones who find it hard to be analytical have issues with him though.

dumbass lmfao. who are you voting for? hilary i take it? because that would say it all.

What a response. Brilliant. :)

[Empress Lina]

That's a yes. Gg