Why did you do this?

[Joe]

You took over tens of thousands of dolars form people and didn't mention in your kickstarter campain that you are making heavy handed propaganda for LGBT.

You can write and make whatever you like and it is ok, but you just omitted this information completely. Don't you have any shame?

[Asarlai]

Make a game that features genocide and mass murder? Game of the year.

Make one that depicts playing a serial killer or assassin that goes about applying their trade with brutal efficiency? Universally loved.

Theft? Assault? Pillaging? Hallmarks of an interesting game.

But put a five minute segment showing a man loving a man and everyone loses their minds.

Seriously, call it for what it is, a fun little (far too short) game marred by horrible writing. I'll agree with the heavy handed part though.. they could have kept the characters just the way they are and wrote it where uncovering those aspects wasn't such a 'wait, what?' moment.

[Joe]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I don't mind the message or the way/quality it was presented. If it was horrible writing or not is beside the point.

Point is they took the money.and didn't even mention the core values they want to present. Do you think that if they took the money, made a game that promote specific political party/religion/product and didnt tell anybody about this, everybody would be happy?
Don't you think that some people who funded this game, spended hundreds or thousands of dolars, would be a little upset if it turns out to be not so subtle promotion for dunkin' donuts?

[Asarlai]

And my point is that any game that promotes a political or idealogical viewpoint is going to get flak for it, no matter how blatant or upfront it is about it.

The first Assassin's Creed had to have a disclaimer at the beginning to express just that. Paper's Please was a game about being a peon in an authortative regime and still had 'What the hell is this' posts in the discussion forums.

To use your analogy, this is like complaining about a movie because the camera focused on a billboard advertising dunkin' donuts in the background for five minutes. I'm not complaining that the movie producers never warned me they would be tempting me to eat junkfood.. I'm complaining that they ruined the flow of the movie by focusing on something fairly unrelated for far to long.

But it is still a great movie, and I enjoyed it besides that.

Complaining here is pointless though. Don't like what they did with their game or how they hid certain content prior to purchase? Don't buy it. Already bought it and regret it? Don't buy anything else from this company. If enough people agree with you and do the same, you won't have to complain about a Timespinners 2.

[Carighan]

Originally posted by inalian:

Point is they took the money.and didn't even mention the core values they want to present.

Funny that only games with a significant element of LBGT representation get asked to do this. Why doesn't every other game have to do this, too? And why don't you post in every other Kickstarter's forum that they didn't do it?

[Joe]

I said it twice already, I don't care about message. I have issue with lack of transparency. I don't know about every single kickstarter project, but i backed a few and none of them hide crucial part of the game from backers.

[Carighan]

Originally posted by inalian:

I said it twice already, I don't care about message. I have issue with lack of transparency. I don't know about every single kickstarter project, but i backed a few and none of them hide crucial part of the game from backers.

How is that a crucial part of the game though?

[Joe]

Yes, I think that story is crucial part of the game

[Asarlai]

If you play Timespinners for the story, you are already going to be very disappointed, regardless of the content of one cutscene.

This isn't a grand, sweeping RPG or a text driven adventure game.. it's a metroidvania, and not a very well written one at that. But the gameplay is fun, which is arguably the only 'crucial' aspect of it.

And honestly, the game has been released for what, three, four months? It is hardly hidden at this point. Every single page of this forum has at least one entry dedicated to the fact, a good number of them locked for valid reasons. The Dev has gone on record stating that it contains the content and why. A good number of the Steam Reviews mention it. Complaining on this point now is useless, redundant, and shows that you bought the game without bothering to read up on it, which is all on you.

The horse is dead, can we stop beating it now?

[Joe]

What are you talking about? Did you even read my posts? I'm saying that they should be more transparent with their kickstarter campaign so the people would know what this game is about, you know, before the game was relesed.

Originally posted by Asarlai:

I Complaining on this point now is useless, redundant, and shows that you bought the game without bothering to read up on it, which is all on you.

Yea, it would be on me, if I bought this game, but I didn't.

[Asarlai]

Originally posted by inalian:

What are you talking about? Did you even read my posts? I'm saying that they should be more transparent with their kickstarter campaign so the people would know what this game is about, you know, before the game was relesed.

And you missed mine when I said the story wasn't crucial. It's a metroidvania, the stories are usually pretty light in these. 'You are a vampire slayer, go kill dracula' 'You are a space marine, go kill the big alien' 'You are a Timespinner, go fix time'. A disclaimer for a five minute cutscene was certainly not needed.

Pretty sure they were completely transparent about the facts that matter. That being, ya know, the game itself and how it plays.

Originally posted by inalian:

Yea, it would be on me, if I bought this game, but I didn't.

Didn't buy the game and here only to beat a long dead horse.

Shame on me for feeding the trolls.

[Carighan]

Okay, so having finished it, I don't get the big deal. Sorry. Really don't. This feels no different than any other romance story which has to be told in 10 lines totaly because it is placed in a game not conductive to expansive storytelling.

That is to say, I feel the romance is too on the nose, but only in the sense that there's just not enough time/context in which to make it believable. I get that I'm supposedly talking to these NPCs between my runs, too. I'm just not seeing that. Sure. But it still feels odd.

I'd have wanted more character interaction, basically. I'm an avid reader, I'd love to instead have relatively expansive stories behind each of these people, and ideally more overall interactions.

But beyond my feeling that it all feels a bit rushed... what's the big deal again? It's just some romance between people, told in too few words like in most video games?

[Asarlai]

Originally posted by Carighan:

Okay, so having finished it, I don't get the big deal. Sorry. Really don't. This feels no different than any other romance story which has to be told in 10 lines totaly because it is placed in a game not conductive to expansive storytelling.

That is to say, I feel the romance is too on the nose, but only in the sense that there's just not enough time/context in which to make it believable. I get that I'm supposedly talking to these NPCs between my runs, too. I'm just not seeing that. Sure. But it still feels odd.

I'd have wanted more character interaction, basically. I'm an avid reader, I'd love to instead have relatively expansive stories behind each of these people, and ideally more overall interactions.

But beyond my feeling that it all feels a bit rushed... what's the big deal again? It's just some romance between people, told in too few words like in most video games?

Exactly!

[Eunostos]

You clearly do care about the message, or you wouldn't be melodramatic about holding it to a different standard than other topics. Own your position instead of sounding like a wheedling hypocrite.

[Quatropus]

Says they aren't against message of gay relationships, but makes a big fuss about their being a gay relationship in game. Just give it up, dude. No one else seems to have a problem with what happened. Your whole argument at the beginning is an absolute joke because you belittle the work and treat them as criminals for adding a male/male relationship in game without being transparent of their beliefs. You're so damn worked up about something you say you don't care about, so please enlighten everyone as to what you would have done? Oh you would have continued to just say "Hey video games are for straight people".

As a pansexual male, I was happy and both oddly thrown off by it's placement if I were tbh. Seeing several gay relationships in game is a huge deal for the LGBTQ+ community because it says "Here are people falling in love no matter same or different gender". My only real gripe was that none of them were fleshed out. However, without knowing too much of the world, you really can't tell how supportive the people of this universe were to gay relationships. Still, a bit more in-depth story of these characters would have been better.

[Cornflakes]

Imagine falling in love with a wonderful person and then having a depiction of your relationship being called a political agenda. Homophobes truly are sad people.