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No, both times the parents' death was talked about Hannah/Eve said it was food poisoning from the Death Caps mushrooms. One of the times, she also talked about how the heat wave caused the bodies to decay a lot faster and how terrible the smell was.
In the last interview, Eve talks about her parents, saying she had been ill and woke up one morning to find them dead. Then she very pointedly says that her dad was a "mushroom expert" and there's no way he'd pick death caps on his own.
It's pretty obvious that one or both of them killed their parents. I was originally thinking that Hannah was the mastermind behind it, but they would both have to know who did it and at least be accomplices. Eve was supposedly living in the attic during a hot summer with rotting corpses below her. Ugh. If she didn't know about the poisoning, they would have called police immediately instead of waiting for the bodies to decompose.
But the way Eve acts during that interview is just weird. It's pretty clear that she'd be implicating herself and Hannah in the murder of her parents by insisting that her dad wouldn't have made that mistake. Was she just trying to come clean? It seems throughout the rest of the story that Eve was the bolder sister, but Hannah was the one who made the decisions.
Their diary is a very important clue as to why I think Hannah and Eve is one and the same. They write diaries to communicate and remember. From Wikipedia on MPD, or dissociative identity disorder (DID) as it's now called: "...a mental disorder characterized by at least two distinct and relatively enduring identities or dissociated personality states that alternately control a person's behavior, and is accompanied by memory impairment for important information not explained by ordinary forgetfulness."
In one clip, she tells us she's kept a diary since she was a little girl. "To make sense of my day (...) Everyone's on the same page." And in another interview, talking about their childhood, she said that whoever had been out that day wrote a "detailed diary so that we were on the same page". If they were twins, they could surely tell each other instead? I think she used the diary to keep her personalities aware of each other and help her behave more consistent. She also mentions that they wrote down rules of what they could and couldn't do, and plans on how to deal with imaginary scenarios and future events.
Conserning different personalities, terms like "ego-state" and "alters" are used. I think Hannah is the ego-state and Eve is the alter. In one clip, Hannah regrets telling them about Eve. She refers to her as a friend. They have a love-hate relationship and she admits she once tried to drown Eve. I think Hannah knows that Eve is inside her head. This is the first time she uses the knock code. Eve has explained they used the knock code to communicate. So using it only makes sense if the other person is around to hear it. To me, this is strong evidence that they are the same person. She says two things: "Bye Hannah" and "Love U." She is communicating with another person inside her head.
She talks a lot about stories, both reading and making them up. In their diary, I believe Hannah wrote about Eve as her twin. Maybe to keep herself feel sane. As the alter, Eve believed this to be true.
This is how the tattoo fits into things. Hannah has always hidden Eve. Eve has always wanted to exist. When she is Eve, Hannah has no control. Eve seems like the type who could break the rules, so she got a tattoo. She was obsessed with mirrors and reflection, which can mean she only existed in Hannah's reflection. Eve wanted physical evidence of her existence, so she got the tattoo. To keep Eve hidden, Hannah always covered up the tattoo with make-up or clothing.
To explain the bruise. First it was visible on her left check. When asked about the bruise two days later, she touched her right check. It's like she doesn't know or can't remember where the bruise was, which fits with DID. Eve explained they had a fight and she punched Hannah in the face.
This could either mean that they are different people or a person with severe multiple personality disorder. People with mental illnesses are prone to hurting themselves and she could easily have punched herself in rage. When Eve tells about the fight, she says that Hannah was furious. "The kind of anger you can only have toward yourself."
I really like your idea of Eve getting the tattoo to prove her existence rather than express her individuality. I also agree with the mirror comment - it's as if Hannah hates her reflection because it reminds her of her duality, where as Eve might delight in the thought of it.
It's possible that Florence's existence and death were an invention of Hannah's. Florence's role in Eve's life served to help Hannah make sense of her splitting personality, and her death represents the acceptance / full realization of the split.
You're absolutely right. I wasn't very clear - I had meant 'existence' as a character involved in either Hannah or Eve's life beyond delivery. That's a reaaaally interesting idea that the umbilical strangulation may have caused the brain damage that lead to mental illness (the true birth of Eve). If it is assumed that there is some truth in all the stories told, the idea that one child was born but was also strangulated might be for me the most convincing argument that explains the split personality theory. It also helps give a reason for the personality split in the absensce of childhood trauma or abuse.
Oh, great point! Speaking of mirrors, I started wondering why Simon would give away a unique handcrafted mirror to another girl. I don't think he did. Hannah said the mirror was engraved and made especially for her. She mentions that they've been married for over 10 years. Assuming Hannah and Eve is the same person, Simon must have known after all those years living together. When he talks to Eve in the bar, he mentions her name is a palindrome. When asked about her name in the first interview, it seems important for Hannah to inform them it's a palindrome.
In her story, Hannah put on a blonde wig and pretended to be Eve when Simon came home. Simon didn't react to her being there because it's their home. Simon tells her that he wants her and gives Eve the same mirror he gave Hannah. Hannah gets jealous and angry because she thought he'd given it to another woman. According to some of the stories, Simon was romantic. What if Simon wanted to give the mirror to both Hannah and Eve, as a way of telling them that he knows and it's okay because he wants them both? Well, that's a heartbreaking thought
I'm with you on nearly all of this. I picked up on the palindrome connection as well, and later realized the significance of Hannah saying that Simon 'has a thing for blondes' - presumably in reference to Helen, the bartender at The Rock, but is actually revealing Hannah's disgust with the idea of Simon's supposed preference for Eve (blonde wig).
The only part I'm still questioning is Simon's nature and how long he may have known about either the twins or the personalites. The relationship sounded strained after the miscarriage, they did not have the greatest love life, he was spending more time at the bar, and appeared open to female company and was not mentioning his marriage.
Now, to be clear, I'm not implying that Simon was necessarily having or was trying to have to an affair, and I'm not making any moral judgements on his behavior either. Just thinking of this in terms of the theme of duality. Either Simon knew all along about Hannah's split personalites and he would spend more time at the bar because she (as Eve) was, and it was the second pregnancy that caused him to show his acceptance with the mirror present, or he was confused / bored / escaping a long and difficult relationship (possibly strained even further because he didn't understand Hannah's condition) when he realized (during the first, or possibly second meeting with Eve) that she was his wife, and that some of the difficulty during those years could be explained.
All of this is just speculation though - trying to flesh out the character of Simon in my head. I almost prefer the imperfect view of Simon - the tragic, perfectly innocent, loving character just seems too tidy compared to the rest of the story.
Oh, then there's that third possibility that Simon really had some kind of secret twin fetish thing going on AND was able to make it a reality - but that just sounds like fantasy.
First off, the bruise. Bruises take *at least* a few days to heal without leaving a mark on the skin. Proof? Experience. I was full-on-punched in the eye when I was a kid and not having your tough adult body, I obviously had a lasting impression on my face but the bruise lasted for quite a few days. If you have a bruise and a day passes, chances are you're still going to have the whole reddened-skin effect. Even then, Eve touches the wrong side of the cheek and it could certainly be a mirror effect e.g. I saw the bruise on *my* right side of her face so I touched *my* ride side of my face when talking about the bruise. Common thing to do as a human being and I do it myself e.g. Using the 'wrong hand' to grab something. No, I don't have MPD.
Secondly, the drive to Glasgow. They're in london or at the very least England, so the drive from there would have taken *hours* in a SINGLE triple. That doesn't leave enough time to drive there and back to act like 'two people in one', especially since one of them slept in the car until 9AM and was woken up by a garbage truck.
The tattoo. This one is blatantly obvious. First off, logic. There are several scenes where Hannah's arm is revealed and unless the tattoo is on the underside of the arm which would still be visible considering the size and the shape of the arm, cylindrical being the shape of an arm and the arm in question being fairly skinny, the time it would take to go and get a tattoo of that size within less than a day's worth of time doesn't correlate with MPD because, yes, it would take longer than an hour or two and have the tattoo primed to be shown off the day after.
The fingerprints. It is implied so damn hard that there are *several* fingerprints in the bedroom and other rooms( I think it was the cellar and living room ). Hannah also says she's never had fingerprints taken before but Eve seems to not care about it and I think fingerprints were taken because of the speeding ticket. Twins have different fingerprints so it makes plenty of sense.
There are other little tidbits of information but honestly, all of the above are red-flashing-lights, especially the bruise and the tattoo. You just can't wave away proof such as a tattoo and a bruise, especially because there's no magical cure for a bruise. They tend to last a few days at the very least.
EDIT: Oh, yeah, I forgot to put this in. It was bothering me. There's *two* stories for the Glasgow Trip. It was that one went to Glasgow and slept over night in the car and the other crashed and went to a hospital. Go figure.
EDIT2: I checked again and I remembered another fact that is very hard to ignore. The STD story. First off, they would be legally allowed to check if that part of the story is true so they would know whether not she had an STD truly. Secondly, if it was the 'same person', Simon would have been infected and the whole 'going out tryin to get pregnant with random people' isn't a 10 minute venture. It would take time and Hannah/Eve would have been gone for long periods at a time which would very much be noticable.
Simple perception. Eve is naked because Hannah is the one who is dressed - she was the Eve personality while dressed as Hannah. Quite probably she was physically 'changing' into Eve when her mother told her to get dressed for school.
But the bruise would only take a minute to wash away if it was not real, instead faked with makeup.
This can also be explained by 'Eve' seeing the bruise in a mirror (Hannah's reflection).
I don't think there's much information on Simon's time of death, other than it was initially determined by his broken / wound down watch. Since it's not known where this takes place, one can't know how long the trip would take. The only things that are known are that Glasgow is north of Hannah's residence, and the trip couldn't fit with the time on Simon's watch, which may have been (or probably was) altered after his death.
I personally believe that it could be a temporary tattoo, purposefully revealed by the "accidental" coffee spill to add confusion. This of course may not be the case though, just suggesting that there may be other ways of looking at the tattoo other than it being real ink.
These might be from the deceased parents, or maybe even from boyfriends that 'Eve' brings home. Some have suggested that maybe the detectives are questioning the lack of fingerprints, though from what I remember it sounded like there were unexplained ones.
I haven't landed yet on one side or the other, just that while lacking so many facts, there may never be a way of really 'knowing' the nature of Hannah/Eve, and we end up telling stories to ourselves and each other to make sense of it (nice touch by the game designer, I think).
Assuming she's telling the truth in the first video she has several days - she hasn't seen Simon since Friday, it seems it's the full weekend before she reports him missing. She could have driven up to Glasgow on the Friday night (after killing him) and spent the whole weekend there (although she does give two different accounts of what happened in Glasgow so the whole thing could well be a lie).
It could be a temporary tattoo. The tattoo doesn't work for the twin idea either for exactly the same reason.
Not necessarily who's prints though. We already know at least four other people have visited the house quite regularly - Doug, Eleanor, Diane and Eric. Note she also seems surprised the prints were found in the bedroom which wouldn't make sense if the 'other' prints belonged to Eve - since Hannah already knew about the affair why would she be surprised to learn Eve's fingerprints were found in the bedroom? Eleanor is probably the culprit there with her excessive cleaning - Hannah is amazed she bothers to clean and dust the bedroom (which also explains why the prints are still there - neither Hannah or Simon bother with it themselves).
The police don't usually charge people for speeding, let alone take their fingerprints. It's not a criminal offence, and since she states it was a speeding ticket rather than an arrest for dangerous driving it would be incredibly weird (not to mention illegal) for the police to take her fingerprints. In fact it'd be more likely to have been issued as a result of a camera or speed trap than being pulled over in the first place.
Only after formally charging her with the murder, and even then only if the court provided a warrant to view her medical records because the judge felt it was pertinent to the case. Of course, those records only exist if she sought medical help for the STD in the first place, and even assuming she did would it be Hannah or Eve's doctor we'd need to talk to?
Assuming he was still having sex with his pregnant wife. Of course her mysterious disappearances could also be the source of the arguments she mentions they had (besides which we already know Simon likes to spend his evenings at the pub with his drinking buddies. Late licences weren't a thing in 1994 but last orders was usually 10:30 PM at the earliest)
You're also assuming she spent her evenings trying to get pregnant, whereas what she describes is simply taking the opportunities when they presented themselves - that could be on the way to work, people she met while out etc.
That`s *assuming* the bruise was fake but the chances that someone can make a bruise that looks so real and not some kind of mock art project on someone's face is iffy.
Yes, that's what I meant by the 'mirror effect'. Y'know, like standing in a mirror and you raise your right hand but your mirror reflection raises your left and you're going off to pick up, say, a tooth brush. I do it all the time, where I 'swap out' which hand I pick the tooth brush up but then I correct it because I put the toothpaste onto the tooth brush with my left hand onto the right hand.
Still, considering how he died, an implication of a struggle resulting in the watch breaking is very unlikely and considering how careful you have to be when messing with a watch, changing the watch and then breaking it or vice versa doesn't seem likely either. The watch must have been accurate in some kind of sense but I'm grabbing at straws here so I'm going to assume it was broken in a struggle of sorts or while taking it down into the cellar.
I don't know. I, personally, can tell the difference between real and fake. For example, a friend of mine had a bunch of the fake ones on her arm recently and they were fresh. Assuming this is the same situation, the colouring of a fake tattoo is much brighter and more artifical-looking than real ink looks which tends to be a darker and uh I suppose 'grittier' look. Also, it's back in the early 90s. I don't think fake tattoos were as popular as people would expect.
The fooling around occured a long time ago shortly after Hannah had become pregnant, which is when she was 17/18. She stopped when she got an STD. Fingerprints aren't everlasting either, so they would have had to be fresh or recent at the very least. This disqualifies the parents as well especially since one can assume the room would have been cleaned since both of these events - Even fooling around and parents dying. The responses given in those videos imply that it was more than one fingerprints rather than lack thereof because she explained that she cleans a lot and dusts, and her response was, IIRC, along the lines of asking 'In the bedroom? Are you sure'? I do recall the fingerprints being found in several rooms though.
I'm not implying I'm biased but I personally hate the multi-personality-disorder trope. It's so cliche and not used very well. I'll admit that it could have been good in a game like this but all of the evidence isn't necessarily in favour of it without having to grasp for straws aka throwing whatever 'possible' explanation you can to make it plausible. No offence, that is. The evidence is just too iffy to assume it's definitely MPD.
It's a great game and the ending is so ambigious I think I almost cringed because I really wanted a definitive answer. No matter what, one thing is for sure : Sarah was born and this really begs the question of which explanation is more likely : The doctors were wrong about the infertility(doctors would be the ones to inform Hannah of that) or that Eve ended up having her baby and named her Sarah in memory of Hannah.