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Books and Comic are great experimental mediums of the vision of a few. Where games, shows and films created their own source material that cannot match books.
One main reasons is a comic book writer or novelists, cannot hear music, or see performance of someone they do not know, of the thousand movies parts it takes to makes a show or film. Each in a way become their own intellectual property extending from one to the other with their own rights. They are the director's vision, or writers visions, who have their own copyright and ownership properties. This is something fandom gets 100 percent wrong with their fandom intrusive behavior of podcasts and content creators that have become the new social media, with almost 8 million each in existence. Even those creators who become film makers or show runners change their own work. Frank Miller, Gaiman, Millar, Lee, all of them because what works in books and comics does not in films. You can match tone, pace, even honor it visually, but they will never match. So, no films and shows will never follow the source material. It is referred to, but totally different.
Fandom are cults and purposely created for business model success. Those cults of sects can became very positive to the bottom line of any brand. That is taught in colleges, BUT they can also become negative and toxic. The arrogance that fandom create anything. Outside of fan fiction. They do not. We are seeing today how fandom can be very destructive even to the very things they profess to love.
My point in this explanation is you must separate everything for what it is.
When someone says, is it canon. They must truly understand that definition.
It means, if it's part of an official continuity that takes place in a particular fictional world.
So in a way all of it is canon, because of the constant usage of characters in different creations. The brilliance of the multi verse is one character can have many stories.
I would not take it so seriously and trying to over think it. So yes, from that perspective its all canon, but no, it does not mean one project must or connect to another.
To your questions
1, Wanda talks about quicksilver being alive. In Avengers age of Ultron he is killed. Does he die in the comics too?
Answer: He has had a long history, many near death experiences and many versions of Quick Silver. I am not aware of him being killed. He is probably the one contradiction from lore to film. He was a prop solution and an unnecessary one to Josh W.'s vision of the Avengers. Remember that is Josh's interpretation of Quick Silver. The X-men you saw another. You can see the confusion when you try and connect both version, like in Wanda vision. His death made no sense in its execution either. Despite that. No, I don't believe the original prime Earth Quicksilver is dead. He survived House of M, Son of M, and Mighty Avengers. He is featured in many games as well. Including Marvel Strike Force and other games. There is a grand strategy Marvel games in the works, which I am sure he will be part of. I also think he will be back in film and shows.
2, Does this game have any connection other than the characters to the "runway's" miniseries TV show?
Midnight Suns has a comic history that started in 1992 I believe in several issues. Created by Howard Mackie and I believe Andy Kubert. Marvel wanted that brand to expand. I believe it was kind of a fragmented idea mentioned in many titles as a cross over event that now is being expanded on. The idea that it has been active as a premise for four decades based on the Order of the Midnight Sons. Some famous issues based on this premise. Ghost Rider's 3rd volume back in 1992, Doctor Strange's Damnation Run in 2018, History of the Marvel Universe in 2011, Morbius fabulous Vol. 1 issue 12 in 1992, Marvel Comics Presents Vol 1 143 in 1993, Appearing in "Marvel Zombies 4: Midnight Sons 4 issue set in 2009 and many others, roughly 70 books they have mentioned, united or utilized the Midnight Sons premise in some form. Marvel decided to test the gaming market by doing this deal with 2k and Firaxes, but extended it to other Marvel games where you could get skins or features to those games. For example, MSF did a Magik Midnight Sun's skin. Marvel Snap featured the Midnight Suns in cards, and Animation shorts to promote the title. Now Jordan Peele is in discussions with Marvel to do their horror genre, with Blade, Midnight Sun's special, and X-men. We will see how that goes. It is unclear where they go with the Runways, that too has a long comic history, has an established faltered brand on tv, and members come and go into different teams structures. I doubt anything more will be done with the Runaway as a brand for now, but you could see members in other forms even in those projects. We will see. So Yes, it connects, but doesn't connect.
3, has anyone seen the whole Venom War coming later this year? spider-man, daredevil, wolverine, Deadpool, Silversable and Carnage all have a comic. I doubt there is any link and most likely just due to being popular characters. I'm actually quite surprised/interested in Silver Sable as she at least was a fairly obscure character.
Answer: They are all connected and not connected. Disney does own rights to Spider-man, Venom, Hulk, She-hulk, Silver Sable, in certain formats. Things get a little tricky, some of these characters become public domain and one way to extend that is to have them in other properties beside their original comic book runs. Films and shows become intellectual new property. Sony has the rights to Spider Man and Venom, but it becomes tricky with Sony, so they formed a collaborative contract, where certain parameters allow Marvel and Sony to share the character's usages. Sony gains revenue from Spider-man and Venom's usages in many projects, but only in visual media form. They own the properties of those characters in that format. Marvel does not need Sony's permission for other mediums like games, comics, unless they specifically reference those film mediums. He is used in. Taking Spider-man for example- Marvel owned the rights to Spider-Man until 1999, when Sony purchased them for $7 million. In 2000, Marvel and Sony Pictures agreed to a deal that included the following terms:
Sony would pay Marvel $10 million for each Spider-Man movie
Marvel would receive 5% of the movie's revenue
They have since sign collaborative contract deals with specific guidelines.
Sony would be required to start production on a new Spider-Man movie every five years and nine months. Venom 3 will be there last film, and in five years like Spider-man if they choose not to do anything with the character from a show or film. It would return to Marvel. I doubt very much they ever do that. They can for example extend clause three of that deal. Because Spider-man and Venom have been used in these mediums their public domain was extended. That is how they get around those issues. They also settled with the Lee, Ditko, estates in Dec. 2023.
I think Venom will continue to be used in many projects and also keep in mind that Sony did have Silver Sable and Black Cat as part of those film properties why they tried to do a 2018 film on the two. Though Black Cat also appears in many games. Silver Sable has not and I don't she is high on Marvel or Sony's list of must dos.
The other issue with Silver Sable is she is a Tom Defalco creation and he has had a contentious relationship with his properties. Though he has probably maintain a good repor, at 73, He is another that may find himself and his estate in conflict with Marvel down the line. These creators from John Byrne, Frank Miller, all them take this very seriously because the MCU's success has not been too kind to those original creators. Remember, one medium does not follow the source material for this exact reason. They still have pending lawsuits with estates. A very complex continual battle.
4, I know there was a midnight sun's comic, does this have any connection at all to it? Is there a story line that this continues or replays? And how does that fit in with the avengers comics? Did wanda leave the avengers? while i do have about 25 books from 2000's i haven't read one since mid 80's and her and vision were avengers and had their own mini-series. Did she leave them for the Sun's?
Answer: I will keep this one short, yes and I gave you a short history, and you can look up the list by simply googling Midnight Suns and all the titles they have been involved in.
There are roughly 70 titles they have appeared in I believe. It depends which Wanda we are talking about because she too has many versions in the MCU. You got a hint of this in the Strange 2 film. Scarlet Witch's properties is also a huge contention with the Kirby Estate which was not settled again until last year. They had an original settlement in 2014. These Estates which are growing as that massive library of characters become used in films and shows, can be daunting. Why when they hire a new director, writers, you need to go through can they do, or can't we touch this character or that. It gets that complex with these estates. The Scarlet Witch is a major brand now to Marvel.
Marvel is not done with Wanda yet, remember the films can dictate to the comics now. I have no doubt these Peele projects if its him, Avenger films, X-men films will feature Wanda in some capacity whether Olsen does the role or doesn't. i would check Wanda's prime earth history to get your answer. She actually destroyed the Avengers and has died many time, but in marvel land, no one really stays dead. She has appeared in Marvel Noir, Marvel 1602, MC2, and has had several of her own titles since 2023, so think she is good.
Hope I addressed you question. Peace.
Usually each Marvel video game takes place in its own separate universe but some game series that have sequels can have multiple games take place in the same universe.
The games, like the movies, are inspired by the comic books and may loan some elements from them, but it's never the same main continuity as in the comic book.
I know movies are comics are different but lots of stuff seams connected these days. LIke agents of sheild has lots of cross overs with the movies, and netflix's series of the defenders has some cross over with the newer stuff which is kinda cool.
Sometimes the movies go along with the comics and others they do there own thing. The first spider-man trilogy with toby had a lot of things that were close, the second 2 movies with the new spiderman was different than the comics in many ways, and of course the newest far from home is very different in many ways. though these days with so many series and the comics been around so long even those have contradictions but i was more just curious about the connections more than anything.
at any rate, i was at the comic book shop today and the guy was telling me there was a midnight sun's series that just came out a couple years back, 2022. It was a short run, and i'm not sure what it covered. But the one from the 90's you are talking about has a soft cover book which takes the whole story line from all those different series and issues and e and puts it into one book which is nice. He said it was 30 bucks, but i'm a comic person, so i might just get the actual comics depending on the price, but this game has peaked my interest.
90's was a unique era in comics despite it not being awesome as valuable collectibles for tons of issues, there were some really cool things that happened then. Venom, captain america wielding thor's hammer were that late 80's early 90's roll over. Spider-girl which is a fanatic series was 98-02 i think. It's very much like the very early days of spider-man when he was just a high school kid. It's till one of my favorite books. Early 2k's had another series called Marvel Knights with daredevil and Electra, but there were also a few other books that had the title too. They were more graphic novels for older folks if anyone is interested they were quite good. I'm kind of digging into the 90's comics and this game peaked my interest for it even more.
Well i'm off, I just picked up my Avengers run from a 6 issues series which leads into Kate bishop as a new avenger! I know she was in the other marvel game, but to bad she wasn't in this one, she could have had a unique power set for sure. One think about this game some of the heroes felt pretty similar, Blade and wolverine and even spider-man felt very similar depending how you built them. At least to me anyway. I haven't unlocked morbius and barely touched deadpool, ghost rider, storm and even captain america outside a couple missions. So many combo's to try!
The Midnight Suns comics from the 2022 are not based directly on this game either but are related merchandise, meant as something the fans of the game might want to buy.
that's good to know. This game has sort of re-sparked my interest in the comics. I've enjoyed the shows/movies, but something about the game has reinvested me in them. It's kinda strange but the social side talking to tony made me remember Iron man's arc when Jim Rhodes took over because of his issues. Also i pretty much skipped all of the venom stuff so now i want to read up on that as well.
It is not one entity your dealing with. All companies want creative license of what they create. Why you can never follow the source material. Whether is Marvel Strike Force, who created their own characters, a Russo film, a Morrison book, they are constantly creating intellectual properties with very specific contractual collaborative breakdowns, it gets very complex.
This is one version of the Midnight Suns, Peele IF he is writing it or whomever, creates another, Marvel's upcoming 4x game rumored will be another. The MCU films, MCU animation, MCU shows, MCU games will all have individual creations with their own rights and they will coordinate at times in subtleties, but be their own creations.
For example, Guardians of the Galaxy created in 1969, by Drake, Thomas and Colan and really was a kind of one an done book. Marvel Super Heroes 18, which I have a CGC of.
But you can see how it can mutate, as Jim Starlin, John Byrne, Roger Stern, Jim Valentino, and many others started to do their versions, looks and themes to it. They connect, but don't connect.
Then Marvel wants to extend the ownership of that brand. They bring in James Gunn, who signs a collaborative contract of making that Brand for Marvel. He uses Ice Pirates (1984) and makes three films that become their own property. Those are Gunn productions. A Gunn film, not anything from comics. He is making his vision of it. He did not use the source material other than names and close similarities. He focuses on his adventure. Despite not being 4-star films. They become successful. and they start to expand on that brand.
They now influence the comics which again become properties of those creators. There current run of how the film now dictates to the comics, but become NEW untied story-lines to experiment and change. In the end Disney-Marvel own it all, all these properties allow extension of that original concept.
They become new brand properties in other games. Telltales classic GOTG with different directors and writers create their own intellectual property-connected, but no connected.
Edios-Square Enix GoTG game, a wonderful adventure game, connected but not connected.
They appear in many games like Marvel Snap, Marvel Strike Force and others, some with same looks, some with unique takes.
So they are all feed into one another, but cannot connect. They don't want all of it connecting because it can lead to lawsuits.
Each with their own licensing, production, creative staffs, and unless you hired these actors for life to DO everything, just impossible to do.
Have to keep the mediums separate. Films and Shows will never copy the source material. Never have, never will.
Midnight Suns will change again, and again. if that film or special is made. That will be a Peele film for example, which will influence things if successful, what comes after.
Peace
Keep them separate.