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Edit: Well, a month after she did.
On the one hand I get not making future content for it, on the other I can safely say I'll be having second thoughts on any future 2K published games given the state they abandoned this one in.
Great game though, tons of fun, sad for Firaxis that it didn't do well.
It would have been nice to get an XCOM 2 type expansion, but I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of content it has. Does every game need to be supported for a decade, like it's some live services type of game?
> Photo Mode is always blurry in a game that emphasises taking photos as part of its core experience.
> One of the costumes is no longer available in a game where collecting costumes is part of its core experience (also this makes it so you can't get every achievement as one of the achievements is tied to this).
> Game breaking bugs exist for the transitions between Acts 1 to 2 and Acts 2 to 3, where if you get it then your entire save file is void and you'll have to start again.
> The DLC characters often show up in a player's Abbey before they're unlocked, thus mucking around the conversation order you can have with them if you interact with them instead of ignoring them until they're actually unlocked, also it's weird and jarring.
> One of the photo frames in Hunter's room is eternally unreachable, just to mess with OCD players lol.
And those are just the first 5 bugs that came to mind off the top of my head.
Just because your personal experience may not have encountered them, does not diminish their prevalence or their impact.
I'm sure I could go learn of more if you want me to. I personally thought I was being rather kind by merely calling it a "rather buggy state", but if those three words are DRAMA for you then geez I don't know man, we all have our own individual takes on the world I suppose.
As for my 700 hours+, I don't see what that's got to do with it.
I already said I thought it was a great game and tons of fun, why are you listing my hours like that's some kind of GOTCHA when it's not?
I adore this game, I bought it on release for full price, then the additional season pass for another full price when all 4 heroes came out, it could not be more my cup of tea if it tried, but that doesn't mean I'm now obligated to lie for it.
I see a lot of people on the Baldur's Gate 3 steam forums saying anyone who defends that game's few problems are blind Larian fanboys/girls who're treating it like Larian can do no wrong. I've never accused anyone of that but it kind of feels like that's the attitude you're expecting me to have with this game, which is weird.
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tl;dr - There are bugs, several of this game's core features are broken, I still absolutely love this game and it's a ton of fun like I said. If you think simply acknowledging the fact that the game is in a buggy and kind of broken state is dramatizing then I can't help you, truth should be acknowledged, not ignored because it's not convenient to your worldview.
Hey I'm just here to say you're dramatizing how buggy this game is. The game might have bugs for the 1% of players, but all features are fully fledged out and working. You're describing the game like it's some abandoned early access game. I mentioned the 700 hours because it's a way to gauge that it is in fact not as... you know what, I should just copy paste my thing again, but heck it.
Have a great day.
The chest turns up empty instead, you get nothing, can't unlock the achievement, and it's only fixable through modding the game (no other work around unless you do some hijinks with the Xbox version's physical disc copy for those playing on Xbox).
Geez, you are completely ignoring the truth because your own personal experience didn't match up to it. It's not "1% of players" at all, and if you spent any time on the Midnight Suns subreddit you'd see that these bugs are brought up and mentioned time and time again, they are a problem, a common one.
What's more, the bugs have no workarounds outside of having a physical copy if you're on xbox, or modding it if you're on pc, playstation users are just stuck with the broken bugs, as are any digital only xbox users.
Again, just because you have personally not encountered that many bugs does not mean they are not a huge issue (edit - on that note I actually never encountered a bug in Cyberpunk 2077 when playing it on launch, but I don't think anyone can say that game wasn't one of the biggest bugfests on launch around).
I doubt you're going to change your mind, you seem the bury your head in the sand type, so I guess we just agree to disagree and go our separate ways, but yes, it is a fact that this game is in a rather buggy state and several of its core features are broken.
If you view me to be likening it to an underbaked Early Access title with no content, then that's on you, as that's not what I've said here at all.
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Also a side note, on the playtime thing, it's still completely irrelevant here. I am not saying that the game is bad, on the contrary I have said each and every post that I think the game is great, but a great game can still be a faulty one that doesn't work properly, and when it is it's just a bit sad in'it?
as for bugs, im about 100 hours in, I have not seen a single one of those bugs mentioned. I have also not had a single crash. Then again i can't even recall the last crash i had in any game despite forums of said games saying games have CTD issues. Check your config and send your DX_diag to support. I'm sure there could be some bug lurking, but if people are getting 100's of hours with out seeing a thing, then i'd say they are most likely rather rare.
i don't know what the obsession is these day's with the whole "abandoned the game" thing. A game not being added to is not abandoned, development has just stopped. An abandoned game is one you can no longer buy, no longer contact support about and often the code is gone. Yet i see it all the time even games that had a patch less than a month ago.
Also lol at how this has turned into drama by 'defending' that the original comment wasn't drama.
Core features then!
It's possible I've used the term core feature incorrectly, I do use the wrong words sometimes, we do be human, but here are the bugs that I view to be ones that effectively label the game as semi-broken and in need of repair:
* Photo Mode Always Blurry
This bug thankfully only affects PC users I think, and so they can mod their game to fix it, but people who are unable to mod their game for whatever reason are often stuck being unable to take photos which I'd definitely argue is a core feature of the game given how much it emphasises making pictures and hanging them around.
* Absent Quest Reward (Ancestral Suit) from completing the Exploration side of the game.
This bug is by far the most common one I see talked about and it only arrived with the latest patch (June 2023). I view the game's focus on costumes as one of its core features, so the combo hit of:
Not getting anything from completing one of the game's three pillars (exploration, battles, and conversation/story).
Not being able to complete your suits stand in the forge and:
Not being able to Platinum or 100% achievements is a major bummer.
* DLC Characters showing up in the Abbey before they're unlocked
I've seen people lose heart in the game as a result of this one, where it's essentially the straw that breaks their camel's back in regards to the game just not wanting to work properly for them, sequence breaks suck.
This bug always happens in NewGame+ and I thought was a rare one for regular New Game because I never encountered it and had only seen one person mention it happened to them there, only to realise later that it's actually pretty darn common when another thread was talking specifically about it and lots of people came out of the proverbial woodwork to mention it.
Considering how this has impact on one of the three pillars (Conversation/Story) and is a sequence breaker, I viewed it to be worthy of being deemed core feature.
I tend to class the number 3 as the qualifier for using the word "several", so that's where I'd draw the line.
But there are also game breaking bugs that halt progression from moving from Act 1 to 2 or Act 2 to 3 tied to research. Where you need to ensure you have a backup save from before you started that final act's mission's research in order to save your playthrough, as loading back from anything after you've started that research will encounter the progression breaker again.
It's actually those game halting bugs that I don't mind so much to be honest, as they're definitely rare ones based on the subreddit mention frequency (and I've only had it happen to me once personally), but the Ancestral Suit and Photo Mode bugs really irk me a lot and the DLC characters one is sad to see people lose interest in the game over.
There are of course many more small bugs, from the eternally empty photo frame, to Eddie being trapped underneath the Abbey ground for a day so you can't speak to him on a day when that happens, to characters showing up in their swimwear in cutscenes and characters standing on tables or merging with eachother on chairs, and Captain Marvel needing to be spoken to twice each time she has only one new thing to speak about relating to the DLC, and more lol.
But those are the kind of bugs that I wouldn't be irked about staying in the game forever. It's mostly just those 3 headliners that I think are core feature related, far too common, and pretty sad. :(
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Happy to hear your thoughts back on that, sorry again for tempers flaring earlier!
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Edit - Oh yeah! Also the no New Game+ bug lol, that one's evil (some players just don't get their New Game+ unlocked after beating the game, that's probably a core feature one too and not too uncommon (though less common then those other main three).
But to me an abandoned game is a game that stops development on it when it is a common occurrence that it cannot be completed in one way or another.
Not being able to get all the achievements/trophies is one way this game can't be completed. Not being able to get all the suits you're meant to unlock through the game normally is another.
Since I started my latest playthrough the UI has been buggy as hell with cards incorrectly displaying their cost/heroism generation (non-heroics showing as heroics). Discarding/redrawing cards will sometimes leave the card discarded/redrawn in the hand visually while functionally removing it from being able to be played. The music tends to just cut out for no reason for a time before starting back up again. Character animations in cutscenes are often jittery and nonsensical.
This is just my experience alone and I manage to skip some of the bugs (through the use of a mod for one).
Not entirely game breaking but a sorry state for the game to be in after about a year of patching with the latest patch breaking at least one questline and then leaving the game to never be patched again.
Shame, because it had a lot of potential, but there were so many bad decisions made by the publisher that it just never took off with players.
Side note: somebody mentioned Freedom Force. That's such an awesome game. I didn't realize that it still works on modern systems.