DO NOT BUY THIS GAME!

[Osidius]

I've complained about how going into the options menu creates a memory leak. I've complained about how I get 3fps on a 3080, 3700X, even when playing at 1080P. Now, the game's freezing on load, and I don't know exactly what it's doing, but it crashes every other piece of software on my PC, and turns my wallpaper into a black screen. Yep, it crashes your wallpaper. I don't even know how that's possible, but I'm certainly not going to test it, because when the game freezes my GPU sounds like someone stabbed it with a fork.

Do not buy this game, at least on PC. You might think you can push through the technical issues because you love the idea of the gameplay. You can't. It's a broken mess. Try it on console if you really need to, but ideally, don't give a cent to Firaxis or 2K. They don't deserve it.

I have about 20 hours in the game (Steam says 34, but that, I realised, is because it wasn't closing properly after the memory leaks) and I'll be fighting tooth and nail to get a refund.

[IRMcG]

Don't know what your doing to get 3fps on a much better system than mine which runs it just fine. Have you tried running it from the .exe to bypass the launcher ? It's been a resource hog since Firaxis implemented it for their games.

[Osidius]

Originally posted by IRMcG:

Don't know what your doing to get 3fps on a much better system than mine which runs it just fine. Have you tried running it from the .exe to bypass the launcher ? It's been a resource hog since Firaxis implemented it for their games.

It mostly hits 3fps when I'm in the forge. At one point in there, my 99% FPS was 1. There's no reason for it, the game's just terrible at managing resources, to the point where it's now breaking Windows, and potentially damaging my hardware. I even get a frame drop on the video that transitions you between the 'click any button' screen and the main menu at launch. It's unbelievable.

I removed the launcher on day one, since the only way I was able to play the game was by remote playing it on my Steam Deck. Thanks for the suggestion though.

[Captain Worthy]

This sounds like GPU issues at a deeper level. The crashes/freezes are making your display drivers go haywire and this can crash your wallpaper too. You most likely have corrupted drivers by now.

[Aglardae]

What you are describing comes from your computer, not from the game.

[druzilsupreme]

I had similar, if less extreme issues. Very disappointing.

[Osidius]

Originally posted by Captain Worthy:

This sounds like GPU issues at a deeper level. The crashes/freezes are making your display drivers go haywire and this can crash your wallpaper too. You most likely have corrupted drivers by now.

I've rolled back drivers, updated drivers, played far more demanding games - Warhammer III, Mortal Kombat X, and Kingdom Come - Deliverance to name a few (all at 4K, max settings for the last two, with DX12 enabled where relevant) - and if I don't play directly on the PC, but on Steam Deck via Remote Play, the first two issues aren't present (I did the same thing to get around Elden Ring's more annoying bugs, but that game was still playable on my main rig if I chose to play on there). Plus it's crashing other software, like Wallpaper Engine, with errors that I only see if I'm working on too many high-demand programs at once, such as Photoshop and Illustrator.

It's not the GPU. It's poor memory utilisation at best. Even if my case is extreme, there are plenty of other people complaining about the performance, especially in the abbey, so this is not unique.

[Entala Porcas]

The game sucks

[Captain Kirk]

Sorry to hear you're having difficulty.

Game runs great on my rig. Great game.

[Dragon32]

Have you tried 2K Support?

I'm running with ray tracing, frame rate capped at 60 with only occasional dips below. 1440P on a RTX 3080 and 12700KF

[smetch]

Originally posted by Torch:

Sorry to hear you're having difficulty.

Game runs great on my rig. Great game.

Same, I personally really like this game.

[Captain Worthy]

Originally posted by Osidius:

Originally posted by Captain Worthy:

This sounds like GPU issues at a deeper level. The crashes/freezes are making your display drivers go haywire and this can crash your wallpaper too. You most likely have corrupted drivers by now.

I've rolled back drivers, updated drivers, played far more demanding games - Warhammer III, Mortal Kombat X, and Kingdom Come - Deliverance to name a few (all at 4K, max settings for the last two, with DX12 enabled where relevant) - and if I don't play directly on the PC, but on Steam Deck via Remote Play, the first two issues aren't present (I did the same thing to get around Elden Ring's more annoying bugs, but that game was still playable on my main rig if I chose to play on there). Plus it's crashing other software, like Wallpaper Engine, with errors that I only see if I'm working on too many high-demand programs at once, such as Photoshop and Illustrator.

It's not the GPU. It's poor memory utilisation at best. Even if my case is extreme, there are plenty of other people complaining about the performance, especially in the abbey, so this is not unique.

Right, I recommend not running Wallpaper Engine at the same time as you're playing Midnight Suns, if the issue is that the game needs more resources from your system than are available. Shut off the other unnecessary software as well. A lot of people have indeed reported of the memory leaks in the game, it doesn't touch all users but could be affecting your system exactly as you suspect.

Mortal Combat X and Kingdom Come are both older games that are optimized quite well for 4k gaming on modern PC's. You have seen how Warhammer Total War 3 isn't as it's one of these modern games that have serious resource hogging issues.

I also recommend that you remove your GPU drivers with DDU in Safe Mode and re-install them there too, as you might still have corrupt leftover files from all the rollbacks and re-installs you've done amidst the crashing & freezing errors.

[Osidius]

Originally posted by Captain Worthy:

Originally posted by Osidius:

I've rolled back drivers, updated drivers, played far more demanding games - Warhammer III, Mortal Kombat X, and Kingdom Come - Deliverance to name a few (all at 4K, max settings for the last two, with DX12 enabled where relevant) - and if I don't play directly on the PC, but on Steam Deck via Remote Play, the first two issues aren't present (I did the same thing to get around Elden Ring's more annoying bugs, but that game was still playable on my main rig if I chose to play on there). Plus it's crashing other software, like Wallpaper Engine, with errors that I only see if I'm working on too many high-demand programs at once, such as Photoshop and Illustrator.

It's not the GPU. It's poor memory utilisation at best. Even if my case is extreme, there are plenty of other people complaining about the performance, especially in the abbey, so this is not unique.

Right, I recommend not running Wallpaper Engine at the same time as you're playing Midnight Suns, if the issue is that the game needs more resources from your system than are available. Shut off the other unnecessary software as well. A lot of people have indeed reported of the memory leaks in the game, it doesn't touch all users but could be affecting your system exactly as you suspect.

Mortal Combat X and Kingdom Come are both older games that are optimized quite well for 4k gaming on modern PC's. You have seen how Warhammer Total War 3 isn't as it's one of these modern games that have serious resource hogging issues.

I also recommend that you remove your GPU drivers with DDU in Safe Mode and re-install them there too, as you might still have corrupt leftover files from all the rollbacks and re-installs you've done amidst the crashing & freezing errors.

Thanks. Yeah, I disabled Wallpaper Engine the second time, but the wallpapers aren't active when they don't have exclusive focus, so they don't use resources. The fact that it killed the static wallpaper is what really concerned me. Steam was still running. Windows UI (minus Task Manager) was still there. How does it kill the static wallpaper? I also use DDU to handle rollbacks, but thanks for the tip.

I meant to say MK11, not X. In DX12 mode it's an absolute system hog, but it doesn't drop from 4K60.

I may do some further testing if Green Man Gaming ultimately refuse my claim (they legally can't in my country, though they're arguing over semantics nevertheless), but I'm hesitant. It may be coil whine that my GPU is producing, but my amateur opinion is that the game's asking for unlimited resources and it's putting some kind of pressure on the hardware.

[Captain Worthy]

You can listen to examples of coil whine here: https://youtu.be/HP73edpQwgc

[pascal.difolco]

Originally posted by Captain Worthy:

You can listen to examples of coin whine here: https://youtu.be/HP73edpQwgc

And the whole thread is an example of pure whining
Title "DO NOT BUY THE GAME" should be "MY PC IS CRAP AND IT CRASHES"

[Slaytherine]

Constant 144 fps for 1 hours, what are you talking about?