Lilith's plan explanation anyone??? (***ALL THE SPOILERS***)

[Holy-Fire]

So in the end it is revealed that Lilith actually planned to kill Chton all this time.
A. How did she plan exactly to go around doing that? She didn't have the G-d Killer, and she looked genuinely surprised when she was struck with it, so it doesn't look like it was part of her plan.
B. I guess you can say she did plan on tricking Roboman into creating that massive
Gamma Accelerator Gun thingie, in order to super-boost Hulk, but it doesn't look like
making Crossbones give Cap' the info he needed to get that knife was her doing,
nor do I understand why it would be, as she could just get it herself if she knew about it.
C. On the other hand it looks like she searched for it all along, and that's why she was after Dr. Strange's artefacts all this time. But then again she said 'That wasn't the plan' and then obliterated the sanctum, so I dunno.
D. Also what was Hulk's part in her plan, she said something about blah blah blah, but in the end Chton was summoned without him, and I don't understand what part he played in ripping open the sky and coloring them green before that. But maybe he did.
E. What WAS Crossbones game, anyway? Did he betray her, did he not, what was that about??
F. When can Chton possess Hunter (great name for a girl btw), only AFTER you complete the Darkhold AND that spell (which you must need a super charged Hulk to do) AND break the collar? And that's what Caretaker was afraid of, that someone would do all this, so that's why she made it?
G. How can Lilith backstab Chton if she sold her soul to it? How does that work, exactly?
H. And finally (maybe).... why all the scheming and ambiguity? Why can't you just
walk up to the Avengers or whatnot (avoiding the obnoxious Caretaker), and hatch up
a plan? Sure, she looks scary, but you know, this whole game is about inclusiveness, so.
Why all the secrets? I guess maybe if she spoke openly about it Chton would hear and find out, but, you know, if she's so smart, she could think of something better than this whole charade.
I. Why is Lilith, 300 years old and all, so smart and up-to-date with all the current technologies, so conniving and cunning -- while Caretaker and Hunter are two dumbstruck fools???
J. Also...... why want to kill Chton, anyway? To free Hunter? Chton is locked away somewhere, Hunter is already DEAD, AND she has this protective collar ANYWAY,
so why go through all this hassle??

So....... if anyone can tie this all up for me...... that would be the best! Thanks!

[PocketYoda]

Modern writers are very poor these days.. I generally don't look that deep into stories these days because it all makes no sense if you stop and think about it..

[Cat]

I believe part of the deal she struck with Chton was that the hunter lives (they got sick with the plague that killed the father and she sold her soul to make sure her baby would live) but Chton's plan was to use the hunter as a vessel, hence her plan to backstab him and all the talk about how it's all for you. I think I bugged out though as this was never explained in game but I did get a scene where Lilith talks about how Caretaker revealed everything to you (which I never got) so I had to piece some of it together through context clues. I am guessing she was suppose to reveal it when you finish the abbey stuff, but I didn't get any information from that.

As shown in the ending, when you defeat Chton the hunter and lilith both get sealed away as they are part of him too. So the whole plan kind of failed in the end.

[Zebedee]

I thought a manifestation of Chthon was already inside Hunter, one of the reasons Sara's journal gives for the collar was Hunter's "outbursts" causing "collateral damage". Hunter without the light responses is a fair bit darker as a character - Strange having to intervene at the beginning to stop Hunter killing a Hydra soldier, or the story about the Fire Dragon ("it was the Fire Dragoon"). So if Chthon is inside Hunter in some way already then Lilith's hope is that by bringing Chthon out then she can free Hunter before killing Chthon. Kind of circles back to Scarlet Witch's relationship with Chthon, and her (in this story) being trained to replace the Hunter (ie to control Chthon by locking him inside her).

Kind of agree with PocketYoda though.

[Fringehunter7719]

Yeah, the end of game reveal did basically make the plot nonsense. Lilith had zero reason to do any of the things she did. All through the game we are told she is compelled by her pact, but then she suddenly just isn't? And hasn't been working for Cthon's release, but just going about it in the least rational possible manner.

I don't know. Comic book logic I guess. Makes about as much sense as their invocation of gamma decay (i.e. radioactivity) to explain pretty much everything "science" in the game.

[SpockEndil]

The plot is very weak. I think that some of the characters are written well, but the overall plot is not. Having the main enemy for most of the game gleefully inflict death and destruction on the world just to trick the actual main enemy doesn't make any sense.

[Veridiano02]

I really don't enjoy plots where my main character is killed at the end. Gives me 0 reasons to invest in any non-story DLCs or any post content. So, yeah, it's a goobye to DLCs and "new heores" for me. Not gonna repeat a story that doesn's matter at the end.

[Fringehunter7719]

It looked like Hunter was sealed by the Darkhold, which was immediately found by Doctor Doom, setting things up for the DLC or sequel, rather than killed.

[monsieurK]

Exactly my thoughts.
At the beginning when there was sentences such as "You don't understand my child", I immediatly assumed that it would take the whole game to reveal a terrible twist.
And there it was.
Special mention for the last movie evening where every sentences is totally random, while some western concept art are playing in the screen. How are we supposed to bound when it looks like it was directed by Tommy Wiseau?
You can also add the whole Mephisto story and implication that made close to no sense.

Edit : Btw I had the same feeling about the X-Com series and all their "twists". It also add frustration as it is a great gameplay, but omg the story/narration...
N.B.: Special mention for Hunter that slept for 300 years and when he/she spoke to Nico, he used the inclusive pronoum (them) to talk about Nico's past relationship ha ha

[monsieurK]

Originally posted by Fringehunter7719:

It looked like Hunter was sealed by the Darkhold, which was immediately found by Doctor Doom, setting things up for the DLC or sequel, rather than killed.

From what I heard, they didn't do much profit, so no sequel I'm afraid

[undeadpriest94]

This is a WHOLE other level of stupid, as the comics' version of Lilith is has a much more straight-forward plan: restore her Lilin population that had been wiped out from the Earth and rule it once more. So much simpler and easier to follow. Not a convoluted plot demanding an uninteresting OC jack*ss or plan to kill a god with no means to kill said god. I must ask who wrote this plot so they can be shamed for such drivel.

[undeadpriest94]

You know, it gets even stupider when your realize that at the end, both Lilith and the Hunter get sealed away... which is exactly what was happening before the game. In the end, nothing was actually accomplished in the end. They went a full circle and nothing was really learned or achieved.

[Meepo? Baldwin!]

Originally posted by monsieurK:

N.B.: Special mention for Hunter that slept for 300 years and when he/she spoke to Nico, he used the inclusive pronoum (them) to talk about Nico's past relationship ha ha

To be fair, Sara and Agatha are in a gay relationship, and they're basically Hunter's two mothers. It makes perfect sense for Hunter to be inclusive, even if they are from 300+ years ago.

[Cirative]

"If only you knew, child..."

[monsieurK]

Originally posted by Meepo? Baldwin!:

Originally posted by monsieurK:

N.B.: Special mention for Hunter that slept for 300 years and when he/she spoke to Nico, he used the inclusive pronoum (them) to talk about Nico's past relationship ha ha

To be fair, Sara and Agatha are in a gay relationship, and they're basically Hunter's two mothers. It makes perfect sense for Hunter to be inclusive, even if they are from 300+ years ago.

It's a new way of speaking/ langage. Personaly, my dad is also gay but both dudes hate this new trend to its core, so it's not really linked. There are some dialogues where hunter understand new slurs or terms (boomer for instance (-_-)) as if it's new to him/her.

They just wanted to appeal to a new audience

[Zebedee]

Hunter knowing things is explained ingame. (Whether you find it convincing or not, another thing.) Use of 'they/them' though isn't a new thing, wasn't til the late 18th century that it fell into disuse in its singular form in English. (See ma, I did learn stuff in English Language seminars.)