How do I replace lost steel and flint?

[Kikinaak]

It seems you need to have a steel and flint to light a charcoal pile to make more steel, not to mention light the forge or campfire to make the steel, before you can replace the tool. So those who have lost theirs through death or other means are kinda boned?

I know about the crude tools, but I dont see any crude way of lighting fires, ovens or forges

[Kikinaak]

So in other words, for anything other than lighting a campfire the "workaround" is useless, and I'm boned. Great, thanks.

[Kikinaak]

making steel requires charcoal, which you cant make without a way to light the pile

[Kikinaak]

Coal cannot be mined. So the only option to light a forge or oven, when starting from scratch, requires killing lava creatures which will tear apart even decently skilled characters who have no access to metal weapons or armor, then butcher said creature with a crude tool which reduces the items gained. I'm all for "challenge" but this is simply ridiculous just to be able to light an oven or forge, things that should reasonably be easier to light than making a campfire from scratch.

The correct answer seems to me to be, forage an iron rock and rummage a flint, and be able to use those to light your oven and forge. if you think thats too OP remember that the flint and steel is a single item, lighter, and far more durable than the foraged items. But this way doesnt punish players who lose their stuff before climbing the top of the tech tree.

[Kikinaak]

Actually, you can lose it in pve death, because I did. Likewise all the other "newbie" tools have dropped on pve death on my unmodded server.
And "dwelling" on a point of frustration and potential roadblock is exactly what gets problems in the game addressed and fixed.

[jomegar]

Didn't someone already mention using woodscraps with kindling??? I know I tried it since I didn't know that and it worked.

If you're simply offline playing you can also GM just make a GM character to give it to you.

The NPC's traders also have some Steel and Flint for sale it seems.

Edit: Oh, now I see. You can also get charcoal from Hell hounds. Those don't seem too hard.

[Snake Plissken 炎と雨]

If it is your own server make an admin, ie. another avatar with GM tool named Ebony Wand. With the wand you can create items, build structures (for NPCs) or towers (needed on not home servers), place traders, change terrain (for example make clay deposit near the place you want to settle), collapse unwanted tunnels, make metal veins or rescue stuck carts. You can also spawn any animals, even dragons.

[Kikinaak]

Thanks for the reply Snake. I am aware of GM powers, I was just hoping there would be a feasable way to resolve the problem without resorting to divine intervention. I'm trying a creative map, so no vendors. I love the idea behind being able to recover from the loss of everything, or of starting from complete scratch, ie no newbie gear or tools... but its not quite there yet.

And jomegar, try fighting a hellhound only with gear you dont need a lit forge to make. Even bows require nails for the rope tool.

[Snake Plissken 炎と雨]

So make another character named Prey, let him die, and then find his corpse with tasty steel & flint :P

[jomegar]

Originally posted by Kikinaak:

Thanks for the reply Snake. I am aware of GM powers, I was just hoping there would be a feasable way to resolve the problem without resorting to divine intervention. I'm trying a creative map, so no vendors. I love the idea behind being able to recover from the loss of everything, or of starting from complete scratch, ie no newbie gear or tools... but its not quite there yet.

And jomegar, try fighting a hellhound only with gear you dont need a lit forge to make. Even bows require nails for the rope tool.

You do not need Flint and Steel to make new gear. You have access to campfires. From that you can make new gear. Anvils and hammers are what you need to make gear. Fires heat it all up. It also still takes work to make and have an effective quality forge. Things in Wurm take time.