Icebox...

[Tryst49]

I made the larder and stored a few food items in it. They still decay very fast considering it's one of the only storage methods for prepared foods. Winter came and I gathered a few snowballs to put in the icebox. They also decayed very fast and now it's only the start of the year and the snowballs have gone, leaving me with no cooling for the larder and no snow to get any more snowballs.

Really makes the larder a very pointless storage method for food, you may as well make only stews and store them in sealed barrels, then they last forever. Even the food storage box for raw foods makes the contents last forever. Honestly, the larder should make the prepared foods last considerably longer than they do. I put 8 meals in the larder, along with as many snowballs as I could fit in the icebox, a couple of weeks ago before I went on holiday and came back to find no snowballs and only 2 mouldy food items.

Due to this, I am going to cook to order from now on, it seems there is no reason to cook several meals in advance unless they are stews because, no matter where you store them, they'll be gone before you ever get to eat them.

[tirniel]

You need 100 snowballs with 99ql. You really need good ql of snow.
Best furniture to storage food is a small magical chest.
Waxed paper work good too. Effect stacable with larder, deed area effect and into house effect (or dungeon) too.

[Brewdu]

low QL larder, low QL snowballs, low QL buildings you put the larder in, off deed? etc

[Tryst49]

Originally posted by Brew:

low QL larder, low QL snowballs, low QL buildings you put the larder in, off deed? etc

Larder is over 50ql, snowballs were about 30 ql or so and the building is around 50ql, it's also on my deed.

Regardless, the larder doesn't keep anything much longer than putting it in a standard chest.

[Brewdu]

anything under 50 QL is truly low QL. I won't try to convince anyone who is determined already. (is the building made of stone or wood? is the upkeep more than 30 days? What QL is the food you are storing? What type of food? )

[Tryst49]

Too many variables to make the larder useful. If the larder itself is high enough quality and it's on a deed with no upkeep costs or upkeep paid for, that should be enough since it won't deteriorate. The quality and materials of the building it's housed in and the food quality shouldn't matter. Incidentally, the food also had salt in it which should keep it longer as well.

As a test, I made 2 breakfasts with salt around the same ql. I put one in the larder and another in a tent off deed. The one in the tent is still there and has not deteriorated at all yet while the one in the larder has deteriorated to nothing.

I'll just go with making meals as needed or making unsalted stews that I can keep forever in sealed barrels from now on. the larder is a total waste of time as far as I'm concerned since it doesn't keep food longer than a tent can.

[Brewdu]

but what QL food are you making, if under 30 its not a true test.

Sealed barrels keep stuff at the QL you sealed them in at for that reason (keeps the QL) just needs a new seal after opened.

"as far as im concerned ..." aka I don't need any further proof to be convinced of anything else. Gotcha. Keep on wurming!

[Hieronymus]

Iceboxes work fine for me (playing on Sklo).

QL40 icebox, on deed.
Icebox and lowest two shelves filled with snowballs.

As an example, here's my full house pizza (weight 5.42kg) for channeling affinity.

[16:21:02] When you can't decide what you want on your pizza, and just throw everything on? This is that pizza. This has a good nutrition value. Created on Wrath day, week 2 of the starfall of Fires, 1007.

Notice the crafted date.

Current Time on server: [16:21:05] It is 14:05:44 on day of Awakening in week 3 of the starfall of Diamonds in the year of 1012.

5 year old pizza and it has 10 dmg.

EDIT: pizza QL is 50.66

[Tryst49]

Originally posted by Brew:

but what QL food are you making, if under 30 its not a true test.

It is a true test if they are both the same QL meals, which they were, (give or take 0.1 QL). The larder is not keeping food from rotting as long as the tent does, I would have thought it would be the other way around.

I understand that you can't keep snowballs forever but they should last longer than a week (real time).
Also, the larder requires lead which is really hard to find, it took me 8 days of tunnelling through rock to get a sniff of it when I analysed some rocks. I really don't think there's any more bedrock under my deed now and it's lucky that lead is less scarce on the server I'm on than standard settings. I would have thought, given the scarcity of the lead needed, it would at least be better than what we already have for keeping food.

I cooked food when needed before I got the larder, I'll just keep doing it now I've seen the larder is not as good as it's made out to be.

[tirniel]

Originally posted by Tryst49:

the larder is not as good as it's made out to be.

Ok, if you do not like this just use waxed paper to wrap your food. For me larder work well, for working well i collecting only 90+ ql snow as many, as I can every winter. For working much better I use waxed paper on food and after it put it into larder. For working even better I use dungeon under my deed with house, larder and some waxed paper OR just put into pottery bowl and this bowl into small magic chest (only 25 silver for no decay at all).

[Brewdu]

tryst, you still have not answered what type of food or what ql of food you are using. how many days of tunneling has nothing to do with the "larder" OP

A Real life week in wurm = almost 56+ days in wurm (8 X 7 days = 56+)

[Tryst49]

Originally posted by Brew:

tryst, you still have not answered what type of food

Yes I did... BREAKFASTS.

The quality is totally immaterial since the test used two breakfasts of the same quality since they both used the same ingredients that all came from the food storage bin, the quality of which is combined and averaged so two pieces of meat are both the same quality and the same goes for the vegetables. One breakfast in the larder and the other in the tent. The fact that the one in the tent is still not showing any signs of spoiling yet, while the one in the larder has already spoiled to nothing, says that the tent is better than the larder for keeping food which is completely ridiculous.

Incidentally, if the food storage bin can keep ingredients like meat from spoiling indefinitely, why can't the larder do the same for prepared foods? It would make more sense to have one then, considering the rarity of the materials and the level of Fine Carpentry required to make one.

As a side note, the number of days tunnelling DOES make a difference. It implies my resulting skill in mining meant that the lead I got was high quality since it came from a 'very good quality' vein. It also shows how rare lead is even on the server I play on. If you use materials that are hard to get, you expect the resulting construction to be better than the basic starter gear, even at a lower quality. If you searched for Electrum or Glimmersteel to make a sword, you'd be annoyed to find it was no better than the iron sword you had to start the game with.

However, Im done with this thread now. I can see that I'm dealing with people who won't allow anyone to criticise their favourite game, no matter how valid that criticism.

[Brewdu]

Originally posted by Tryst49:

Originally posted by Brew:

but what QL food are you making, if under 30 its not a true test.

It is a true test if they are both the same QL meals, which they were, (give or take 0.1 QL). The larder is not keeping food from rotting as long as the tent does, I would have thought it would be the other way around.


here it's meals though, never gave a number (the type and QL determine a lot). After all these posts I can still not find the exact QL of the food type you are mentioning.

2 breakfasts of unknown QL can not give an accurate test sampling, as the decay reduction on something that has minimal decay reduction, and using 2 samples is by far the least scientific test I have ever heard of lol. You win tryst, larders are not worth it to you, I agree.

[Brewdu]

using hyperbole and bad science to "test" your opinons, is what a discussion forum is all about. Educating everyone else of what not to do.

[tirniel]

Very strange, maybe he play at modded server with some strange decay changes. For my experience larder with 99ql snow work well (more items into, more effect), at least better then cart (food into pottery bowl with liquid like water) or tent (one of worse storage) or barrel with water and food (my favorite at every new start, but most part placebo).

About storage with no food decay at all, I am not sure why you, Tryst49 are still ignore small magic chest.

How decay work: any conteiner - various of ql(not stacable; pottery bowl into barrel prevent same dmg as only barrel or only pottery bowl), food into any conteiner into inventory decay much slower then just into inventory; larder (snow into larder take most dmg from food to they at every dmg tick, if much items, then dmg much more randomly; work well ONLY if snow really good ql and you put it much enough; empty larder without snow into icebox do not prevent decay at all and work worse then any another container); deed effect work with most items to prevent for most and slower for other, dungeon effect - little less, then deed (stacable with deed), any items into house take less dmg too.

Barrel seal prevent dmg for liquids and liquid kind food.
Small magic chest at fact for me it's forc great, no any my food into pottery bowl that into small magic chest do not have any dmg after 4 (wurm time) years at all.
Not sure about big magic chest, do not try it.