would you consider this cheating?

[donald.nintendo]

first read the whole post. and explain why or why not.
second i play solo so it doesnt matter if i do it or not.

would you consider it cheating to use an external program that auto clicks the mouse?
the program itself only clicks where the mouse cursor is and doesnt do anything else.
it will NOT work as a bot.
the only thing it can do gameplay wise is...click a button that does an action.

for example. you need to go somewhere for a minute.
you turn on your auto clicker and mine where a ore vein is.
you get back and you mined up to the limit of 100 ore on the floor and cannot mine there again until clearing it out.

you cant use it to do any movement or anything on the keyboard.
its just a program that clicks the mouse where the pointer is.

personally i dont consider it cheating.
since its very limited and cannot really play for you.
its like the little toy bird that dips into water and goes up and down as if its drinking. and using it to press a button repeatedly to do one simple thing while you use the toilet or get a drink.

[wildbill]

Originally posted by Outcast:

Play using whatever you want on solo, but keep in mind that keyclickers and other similar programs can be found by anti-cheat software from other games and result in a ban regardless of you actually using them in that game or not.

He was asking specifically about a mouse clicker, which is a bit different than a key clicker. You can't create a macro or automate anything with a simple mouse clicker like Fast Clicker.

Most games have no problem (even ones that detect cheating) with something like Fast Clicker. I use it with ARK and DnL to mainly do healing, which requires that you click the mouse a few hundred times. Sure I can click the mouse that many times (although not quite as fast as the program can), but why should I have to? Program actions like this are just asking to give you RSS injuries.

Now I haven't read the EULA word for word for Wurm, but if it doesn't allow mouse clickers, it should. A mouse clicker is just repeating some action you initiate maybe 10 more times or possibly a few hundred times. It isn't accomplishing anything you couldn't do (assuming you don't already have RSS).

[Tryst49]

Some games even encourage Macro's. Elite Dangerous allows VoiceAttack which allows you to create many macro's that can activate with a simple voice command.

[MyProfile]

Originally posted by tryst49:

Some games even encourage Macro's. Elite Dangerous allows VoiceAttack which allows you to create many macro's that can activate with a simple voice command.

Everquest even allowed a good deal of macroing even from third party programs. A lot of two boxers use it and another program. I can't remember the name of either but to some extent they are allowed.

[Zzabur]

It's cheating, no matter what explaination or what limit you say, it's cheating toward Wurm.

On WO, it's pretty simple, sometimes, a GM pops in front of you, say hello and ask you a simple question. If your character is doing something, and you don't reply, you are banned. Period.

Well, you can achieve some actions that have been started before you go afk, but if you are chaining more than 5actions, and still don't reply, then you're using something to automatize the game, and you get banned.

So, for your friend disabled, no issue using an auto clicker, as long as he's in front of the screen and can reply to a GM while using the auto clicker. But if you go afk,and still using it, banned.

If you play solo, you do what you want, but i would advice to simply go GM and give you all the skills you want, you'll save time and effort. If you are on another server, i would ask GMs first, on my side, I would say no to that, and ban people who are doing actions while afk.

[wildbill]

@Zzabur. I think you've defined it pretty well. For the OP, if you have a mouse clicker that runs when you are afk, it is cheating. If you are just saving your finger from having to click so many times using something like Fast Clicker, and you are initiating the action and remain at the keyboard, not cheating. Fast Clicker simply maps the clicking to a key, so can't be used afk.

I think the OP specifically did want a clicker that allowed you to go afk, so that would normally be considered cheating. I read some rules about this after I saw this thread. On Wurm Online, even a weight to hold down a key if used afk is considered cheating.

[FireFox]

If it's solo play then why should you or anyone care about what you're doing with an autoclicker?

[donald.nintendo]

Originally posted by FireFox:

If it's solo play then why should you or anyone care about what you're doing with an autoclicker?

i just wanted to know what other people thought of it. ever heard of curiousity?

[𓅱𓇌𓂋𓀯 𓊪𓂧𓏭]

>is stealing change from people still stealing?
omg what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Brewdu]

Originally posted by EXPSPACE-COMPLETE:

>is stealing change from people still stealing?
omg what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥

Thanks!

[𓅱𓇌𓂋𓀯 𓊪𓂧𓏭]

>he's cheating
>againt himself
what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥

[donald.nintendo]

Originally posted by brew:

Originally posted by EXPSPACE-COMPLETE:

>is stealing change from people still stealing?
omg what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥

Thanks!

dude...you still havent explained WHY you think its cheating...

[𓅱𓇌𓂋𓀯 𓊪𓂧𓏭]

I JUST STOLE 5 DOLLARS FROM MYSELF, HOLY ♥♥♥♥ AM I A THIEF NOW? what kind of retarded logic is that

[wildbill]

Originally posted by EXPSPACE-COMPLETE:

I JUST STOLE 5 DOLLARS FROM MYSELF, HOLY ♥♥♥♥ AM I A THIEF NOW? what kind of retarded logic is that

LOL, of course it is Wurm logic

Some Wurm players seem to be of the masochistic type, where the harder a task is and the longer it takes, the more they enjoy it

I like the building and terraforming possibilities myself. I do like to play on a server where it is sped up a bit. I will use any shortcuts the game allows, short of cheating, hence, I'm interested in this subject.

It does seem really hard to pin down in this game exactly what is allowed or what is frowned upon. Part of the confusion comes from its origin of Wurm Online, where GMs would actually kick you from the game for "cheating". That game was I think PvP and also subscription based. Wurm unlimited is a very different animal, not paid, it is controlled by individuals, not a corporation. Settings that are adjustable, and rules set per each server, not one set of rules. Also it has a single player mode, where you can be the GM.

[woodsguide]

use an external program that auto clicks the mouse...

for example. you need to go somewhere for a minute.
you turn on your auto clicker and mine where a ore vein is.
you get back and you mined up to the limit of 100 ore

it will NOT work as a bot.....
this is exactly what a bot does... automates acrtions for the user

wether you are sitting on the toliet or in front of your screen is a mute point.. the mouse is being auto clicked by NOT you.
technically this is a bot.. crude and limited in function true.. but still a bot.


is it cheating?.... that would have to be determined by the owner of the server you are playing on... since you say you are playing by yourself... you would have to ask yourself that question ;o)

does it go against the ELUA ? i donno.. read it and find out ;o)






for me, any use of third party software/hardware to automate an action is considered cheating... IF it is disallowed by the owner of the server you play on

[Someone]

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