EEVEE NEXT - Blender disaster

[Півко]

It's no secret that in Western society, any if you are not speak flattery and don't try to suck up, you are began fiercely hated, especially for the truth.

I expect a similar inadequate reaction from community here too.
I'll get to the point.

What "good" did eevee next bring?

- Flickering shadows and graphical bugs with light. Constantly.

- Inadequate time for rendering the simplest objects, one frame of the scene can be rendered for 5-6 minutes, while the result in its quality is not much inferior to previous versions. And here it doesn't matter what video card you have.

- Loading objects in the preview mode for eevee is incredibly long. During this time, you can easily render a scene in cycles.

- Many functions were removed, replacing them with those that work mediocre at best.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind a long render if the result was great. But instead, you spend an incredible amount of time rendering a complex scene, and in the end, the finished result can be thrown in the trash because the shadows or light in some frames are buggy, flickering, or disappear altogether.

Why not leave users a choice by dividing on this bad "eevee next" what was before and previous "eevee"? Two render functions to choose from, so that a person who updated his blender would not be cornered? Do blender developers even take problems into account and solve them? Because there is no difference between 4.2 and 4.3, except promises, nothing has been changed.

[Iefy]

I do mostly all of my work in eevee and yes, there are some limitations. For example, I found that making something like ice and glass is much easier to do in cycles. However, it's not even close to impossible to do in eevee. I would argue eevee is pretty powerful even with those limitations.

If your scene is taking 5-6 minutes to render could very likely be an issue with your render settings. As for your lighting, it could be an issue with your light settings or with the geometry surrounding your lights. I built a spaceship scene and rendered it in eevee. Took about 10 seconds to render one frame. (101 objects, 111,545 verts, 218,205 edges, 106,726 faces and 218,685 tris) Mind you, I don't have a "new pc." I've owned this pc with all the same parts for about 3 years now.

I did encounter issues, though they were more of a fault of my own rather than the render engine being eevee and I was able to come up with a workaround to avoid them in my project. When building your shaders, I find it can help a lot if you have your goal in mind.

[Півко]

Originally posted by NE4R Iefy:

If your scene is taking 5-6 minutes to render could very likely be an issue with your render settings. As for your lighting, it could be an issue with your light settings or with the geometry surrounding your lights.

I already understood what are you going for:

"the problem is not in the program, problem with your setting and how you use bledner"

what settings?

this wreck can't even render a regular scene with several light sources.

in 4.1 this doesn't happen at all, and in 4.2 the light flickers and the scene glows as if it were a buggy game.

A regular test render of a tree in 4.2 or 4.3 ends with leaves shadows disappearing and reappearing every millisecond. while in 4.1 this doesn't happen, everything going well.

I mean that blender is being updated in some strange direction, and soon it will simply become completely inconvenient to use.

[Mittens]

Originally posted by Півко:

Originally posted by NE4R Iefy:

If your scene is taking 5-6 minutes to render could very likely be an issue with your render settings. As for your lighting, it could be an issue with your light settings or with the geometry surrounding your lights.

I already understood what are you going for:

"the problem is not in the program, problem with your setting and how you use bledner"

what settings?

this wreck can't even render a regular scene with several light sources.

in 4.1 this doesn't happen at all, and in 4.2 the light flickers and the scene glows as if it were a buggy game.

A regular test render of a tree in 4.2 or 4.3 ends with leaves shadows disappearing and reappearing every millisecond. while in 4.1 this doesn't happen, everything going well.

I mean that blender is being updated in some strange direction, and soon it will simply become completely inconvenient to use.

this is definitely something you're messing up. show us your render settings and your specs

[Півко]

Originally posted by Mittens:

this is definitely something you're messing up. show us your render settings and your specs

What should I show you, blender adept?

The default render settings EEVEE are the wrong settings, how should I set it up, set everything to 0 and turn off ray tracing, turn off everything, and instead use cycles, alo?
"Your wrong setting" ...

Maybe in general
- "to avoid problems with EEVEE next, you need to not use EEVEE next"

I don't even want to see to this nonsense that I'm doing something wrong.

[⚡Electro Javaboy⚡]

Currently using 4.1 and can confirm, Eeve next just sucked. https://ibb.co.com/cvD7NSb The ones on the left are 4.1, and on the right is 4.2. Default settings fresh install, i could have increased the shadow resolution in 4.1 and it still wouldn't make a grainy mess like in 4.2

[Mittens]

Originally posted by Півко:

Originally posted by Mittens:

this is definitely something you're messing up. show us your render settings and your specs

What should I show you, blender adept?

The default render settings EEVEE are the wrong settings, how should I set it up, set everything to 0 and turn off ray tracing, turn off everything, and instead use cycles, alo?
"Your wrong setting" ...

Maybe in general
- "to avoid problems with EEVEE next, you need to not use EEVEE next"

I don't even want to see to this nonsense that I'm doing something wrong.

Okay, you're more concerned about being wrong than figuring out a proper setup.
I don't know why you're here asking for help if every attempt offends you

[Півко]

Originally posted by Mittens:

I don't know why you're here asking for help if every attempt offends you

This post not about HELP.
It's about how bad working is Eevee next, and people are silent about it, they take all the nonsense that the blender developers are shoving for them right now.

Where did you see a request for help in the post? You are used to the fact that all posts that highlight problems are questions about help, and you are already applying this to my post. Completely not noticing that the post is about something else.

You are not understanding the essence, not being able to analyze information, SHAME!

"why you're here asking for help" wow...

[Mittens]

Originally posted by Півко:

Originally posted by Mittens:

I don't know why you're here asking for help if every attempt offends you

This post not about HELP.
It's about how bad working is Eevee next, and people are silent about it, they take all the nonsense that the blender developers are shoving for them right now.

Where did you see a request for help in the post? You are used to the fact that all posts that highlight problems are questions about help, and you are already applying this to my post. Completely not noticing that the post is about something else.

You are not understanding the essence, not being able to analyze information, SHAME!

"why you're here asking for help" wow...

So you're just making a post because you're angry at something but refusing to do anything about it? like, we can find you a solution. if you don't want one then literally what is the point. it's absolutely something going wrong on your end, nothing ever works straight out the box these days, you've gotta mess with things to get them to work according to your setup

[Півко]

Originally posted by ⚡Electro Javaboy⚡:

Currently using 4.1 and can confirm, Eeve next just sucked. https://ibb.co.com/cvD7NSb The ones on the left are 4.1, and on the right is 4.2. Default settings fresh install, i could have increased the shadow resolution in 4.1 and it still wouldn't make a grainy mess like in 4.2

This is what I'm talking about, eevee next has a ton of problems, people's silence and ignoring of these problems indicates that the majority either don't care, or they are ready to endure.

[Mittens]

Originally posted by Півко:

Originally posted by ⚡Electro Javaboy⚡:

Currently using 4.1 and can confirm, Eeve next just sucked. https://ibb.co.com/cvD7NSb The ones on the left are 4.1, and on the right is 4.2. Default settings fresh install, i could have increased the shadow resolution in 4.1 and it still wouldn't make a grainy mess like in 4.2

This is what I'm talking about, eevee next has a ton of problems, people's silence and ignoring of these problems indicates that the majority either don't care, or they are ready to endure.

it can also mean the majority does not have the issue.

[Півко]

Originally posted by Mittens:

So you're just making a post because you're angry at something but refusing to do anything about it? like, we can find you a solution. if you don't want one then literally what is the point. it's absolutely something going wrong on your end, nothing ever works straight out the box these days, you've gotta mess with things to get them to work according to your setup

Citizen, instead of embarrassing yourself here, better spend time with book, with your abilities it would be better to start with the primer.

It will only be to your advantage.

[Mittens]

Originally posted by Півко:

Originally posted by Mittens:

So you're just making a post because you're angry at something but refusing to do anything about it? like, we can find you a solution. if you don't want one then literally what is the point. it's absolutely something going wrong on your end, nothing ever works straight out the box these days, you've gotta mess with things to get them to work according to your setup

Citizen, instead of embarrassing yourself here, better spend time with book, with your abilities it would be better to start with the primer.

It will only be to your advantage.

are personal attacks all you're capable of doing? It's no wonder you're struggling if you start acting like a toddler at the slightest inconvenience

[Півко]

Originally posted by Mittens:

are personal attacks all you're capable of doing?

Citizen, where personal attack?

Friendly advice for your self-development, it will be much more useful for you than sitting here in the comments and writing frivolous thoughts.

[Mittens]

Originally posted by Півко:

Originally posted by Mittens:

are personal attacks all you're capable of doing?

Citizen, where personal attack?

Friendly advice for your self-development, it will be much more useful for you than sitting here in the comments and writing frivolous thoughts.

aww you're using big words

Look, i've got the entire bottom half of Vice City with eevee next setup properly for editing, and i'm having none of the issues that you're describing. it's almost like knowing what program you're using helps

https://imgur.com/a/CgGC5sB

[Mittens]

in the wise words of Tommy Vercetti; "go get some sleep"
https://imgur.com/a/Vf4Gmmn

but seriously it's so easy. you can stop with the tantrum now and lets figure out your problem