Was I supposed to get a Pakhan as a drop?

[Malidictus]

So question: I thought the latest patch was supposed to remove all the Vendor Exotics from the loot drop tables. Well, I just got a Pakhan as a drop from an Underground boss, and that's on sale at the Phoenix Credits vendor. So what's going on?

[Systole]

Its removed from Exotic caches but not from Boss drops.

[Malidictus]

Oh... Huh. Well, that's disappointing. Thank you for the explanation.

[Fr00t_L00ps]

Originally posted by Gupel.:

Its removed from Exotic caches but not from Boss drops.

Nah, the patch notes said the following :

Removed Premium Vendor Exotics from Open World loot pool and Exotic Caches.

There was a thread like this the day the update was released and it was from someone that found an exotic in the UG as well and a UBI dev commented they would look into the issue.

It wasn't intentional.

[Malidictus]

Ah, OK, that makes sense. My impression was that weapons available at the vendors shouldn't be dropping because they fill the drop tables with items we can otherwise buy and thus waste drops. I was rather surprised to find a Pakhan, then :) This is literally the only Exotic Weapon I've gotten since the patch dropped.

[JustDave]

After a full sweep of regular free roam boss killing spree(Apolo to Bullett King). Not one exotic droped(not even the spam exotics: MC gloves/Tenebre/whatever). No Classified droped(did a little before recent patch). As far as pheonix credits & cypher key fragments, just don't count on them. So yeah, the drop rate being crap is one of the things we can count on.

[Hawk]

Originally posted by JustDave:

After a full sweep of regular free roam boss killing spree(Apolo to Bullett King). Not one exotic droped(not even the spam exotics: MC gloves/Tenebre/whatever). No Classified droped(did a little before recent patch). As far as pheonix credits & cypher key fragments, just don't count on them. So yeah, the drop rate being crap is one of the things we can count on.

Agreed, the initial day I spent farming freeroam bosses with a friend and got 3 classified, then the next day I go with a different 4 man group and I get nothing. Then last night I go by myself and do the boss run and get absolutely nothing. As far as I'm concerned they haven't fixed anything.

It wouldn't surprise me that Ubisoft/Massive screwed up the numbers and the exotics, it's their whole MO. They’ve had a full month to test this patch and yet here we are getting lower then what is advertized drops AND exotic drops that should not be in the drop pool. This is why you play test your patches.

Glad I'm not the only one who sees this stuff.

[Fr00t_L00ps]

Originally posted by Hawk:

Originally posted by JustDave:

After a full sweep of regular free roam boss killing spree(Apolo to Bullett King). Not one exotic droped(not even the spam exotics: MC gloves/Tenebre/whatever). No Classified droped(did a little before recent patch). As far as pheonix credits & cypher key fragments, just don't count on them. So yeah, the drop rate being crap is one of the things we can count on.

Agreed, the initial day I spent farming freeroam bosses with a friend and got 3 classified, then the next day I go with a different 4 man group and I get nothing. Then last night I go by myself and do the boss run and get absolutely nothing. As far as I'm concerned they haven't fixed anything.

It wouldn't surprise me that Ubisoft/Massive screwed up the numbers and the exotics, it's their whole MO. They’ve had a full month to test this patch and yet here we are getting lower then what is advertized drops AND exotic drops that should not be in the drop pool. This is why you play test your patches.

Glad I'm not the only one who sees this stuff.

You guys have to keep in mind that they increased the drop rates from 3 to 6%, not 20%. So far, I have gotten a lot more than I would normally get.

You said you did a free roam boss run with a friend, one with a group of 4 and 1 solo right?
There are 15 bosses if you do all of them, at a rate of 3 classifieds in 45 bosses, that's a rate of 6.6% basically showing that you are getting what the drop rate is on paper. However, RNG is RNG, you could get 0 in 100 bosses then get 20 in 100 bosses.

The vendor exotics dropping in UG is a bug though, don't jump the guns on the drop rates for classifieds too fast. I know I have gotten more and I know I'm not the only one.

[Operator]

Uh no drop rates are still borked still stupidly low. and unless you have no life or super luck you will never see the guns or gear you want. massive better fix this for division two. people who buy and play games have lives to, we can not put our lives into farming, the people they are getting their info from are youtubers and streamers, people who do NOTHING but play the division. for the normal player we will never see this gear. and that is /NOT/OKAY/ let me make this very very clear. drop rates are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ I have been playing since beta I have two pieces left to go on my classified reclaimer i have never once seen the new LMG or SMG, I just now got warlord today. after horus of farming and grinding i got a mother ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ damascusfrom my cache. this is NOT OKAY. drop tables MUST be fixed for division two.

[Fr00t_L00ps]

Originally posted by Operator:

Uh no drop rates are still borked still stupidly low. and unless you have no life or super luck you will never see the guns or gear you want. massive better fix this for division two. people who buy and play games have lives to, we can not put our lives into farming, the people they are getting their info from are youtubers and streamers, people who do NOTHING but play the division. for the normal player we will never see this gear. and that is /NOT/OKAY/ let me make this very very clear. drop rates are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ I have been playing since beta I have two pieces left to go on my classified reclaimer i have never once seen the new LMG or SMG, I just now got warlord today. after horus of farming and grinding i got a mother ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ damascusfrom my cache. this is NOT OKAY. drop tables MUST be fixed for division two.

I never said they were high, I said they doubled.
I have every single piece of gear I need or want and I've had them all for a while, I work 55-60 hours a week and also occasionaly play other games. I also have a social life.
Was I lucky? Yeah maybe. I also played a lot during the Global Events to make sure I wouldn't have to endlesssly grind afterwards.
I understand why you're pissed off and the reason is simple, looter shooters aren't for you. Look at BL2 for example, farming gear is also tedious but if that's what you like (like me) well then it's fun. I enjoy The Division for what it is, obviously you don't and there's nothing wrong with that.

I simply stated facts, you went on a rant. You're entitled to your opinion but your opinion won't change the fact that the drop rates for classified doubled in 1.8.1 and you now have more ways to get them. Also division tech is easier than ever to get which is a huge plus imo.

[Malidictus]

The weird thing with Classified gear is I distinctly remember a period of time when it was fairly common. Myself and a group of friends ran around the West Side Piers for a few days, couple hours at a time, and I already had a full set of Classified Lone Star. Nowadays I'll be lucky to get a single Classified set in... As far back as I remember, actually.

Anyway - vendor Exotics still seem to be dropping, at least in the Underground. That ought to be fixed.

[Malidictus]

Aaand... Another Pakhan from an Underground boss. It's always the Pakhan, it seems like, too. Maybe it's restricted to that gun?

[Fr00t_L00ps]

Originally posted by Malidictus:

Aaand... Another Pakhan from an Underground boss. It's always the Pakhan, it seems like, too. Maybe it's restricted to that gun?

I haven’t played much underground since the update but I don’t think it’s just that weapon. I think you’ve just been unlucky unfortunately.

[Serangel]

I odnt think underground is considered "open world" intended or not, which is why vender exotics are dropping from there.

[JustDave]

Originally posted by Fr00t_L00ps:

Originally posted by Hawk:

Agreed, the initial day I spent farming freeroam bosses with a friend and got 3 classified, then the next day I go with a different 4 man group and I get nothing. Then last night I go by myself and do the boss run and get absolutely nothing. As far as I'm concerned they haven't fixed anything.

It wouldn't surprise me that Ubisoft/Massive screwed up the numbers and the exotics, it's their whole MO. They’ve had a full month to test this patch and yet here we are getting lower then what is advertized drops AND exotic drops that should not be in the drop pool. This is why you play test your patches.

Glad I'm not the only one who sees this stuff.

You guys have to keep in mind that they increased the drop rates from 3 to 6%, not 20%. So far, I have gotten a lot more than I would normally get.

You said you did a free roam boss run with a friend, one with a group of 4 and 1 solo right?
There are 15 bosses if you do all of them, at a rate of 3 classifieds in 45 bosses, that's a rate of 6.6% basically showing that you are getting what the drop rate is on paper. However, RNG is RNG, you could get 0 in 100 bosses then get 20 in 100 bosses.

The vendor exotics dropping in UG is a bug though, don't jump the guns on the drop rates for classifieds too fast. I know I have gotten more and I know I'm not the only one.

Please Understand, when helping other players grind for gear so they can have needs to Enjoy jioning the fun and festivities effectivly. Drop Rate is a Prioity, it needs fixed and has needed fixed for a -=LONG=- time. You don't want to know all the hours i've waisted trying to help others get properly geard up or even items for myself.

[Serangel]

Originally posted by JustDave:

Originally posted by Fr00t_L00ps:

You guys have to keep in mind that they increased the drop rates from 3 to 6%, not 20%. So far, I have gotten a lot more than I would normally get.

You said you did a free roam boss run with a friend, one with a group of 4 and 1 solo right?
There are 15 bosses if you do all of them, at a rate of 3 classifieds in 45 bosses, that's a rate of 6.6% basically showing that you are getting what the drop rate is on paper. However, RNG is RNG, you could get 0 in 100 bosses then get 20 in 100 bosses.

The vendor exotics dropping in UG is a bug though, don't jump the guns on the drop rates for classifieds too fast. I know I have gotten more and I know I'm not the only one.

Please Understand, when helping other players grind for gear so they can have needs to Enjoy jioning the fun and festivities effectivly. Drop Rate is a Prioity, it needs fixed and has needed fixed for a -=LONG=- time. You don't want to know all the hours i've waisted trying to help others get properly geard up or even items for myself.

Grinding out the gear is the enjoyment of the game so high drop rates defeats the purpose. The only thing to do once you do get fully geared is pvp and none of you will do it anyways because all of the pvper's are "hackers".