Shotguns in a bad spot? (PVE, not PVP)

[Lyrdian]

1.5 added even more nerfs to shotgun output... which means YAY for PVP, but AWWWW for PVE.


Personally i fealt shotties in PVE were already kind of lackluster. IMO the closer you are to a mob the more dangerous it is... and the optimal range for Shotties is WAY too close (and moddin g for opt range doesnt help and really isnt recomended).
Nerfs to Acc, nerf to M870 dmg... i dunno. I feel like SMGs and Shotguns, while yes still viable in PVP have really fallen out for PVE, and this makes me sad. Tried using my Aug the other day and it fealt horrible. i dont want my beloved shotgun to do the same!

[YujoKameida]

Originally posted by Lyrdian:

1.5 added even more nerfs to shotgun output... which means YAY for PVP, but AWWWW for PVE.


Personally i fealt shotties in PVE were already kind of lackluster. IMO the closer you are to a mob the more dangerous it is... and the optimal range for Shotties is WAY too close (and moddin g for opt range doesnt help and really isnt recomended).
Nerfs to Acc, nerf to M870 dmg... i dunno. I feel like SMGs and Shotguns, while yes still viable in PVP have really fallen out for PVE, and this makes me sad. Tried using my Aug the other day and it fealt horrible. i dont want my beloved shotgun to do the same!

Clearly you havent been one shotted by a shotgun assaulter in challenge/heroic then.

[Dark Elf]

SMG's and Shotguns are really aimed at PVP (especially now that they've added the stagger in PVP) - but yes, most people use LMG's and AR's in PVE (that isn't to say you have too - it's just better to do so...)

[[HI5]Turbine]

Well, look. Shotguns still have near x2 more burst damage at high "chaos" situations. In normal challenges you never can just hold LMB and make rain of bullets - you'll be just wiped by focused fire from enemies. So you can only have short windows to do damage. And shotguns shine in such way. If you prefer nested gameplay - sit at most ranged cover and never move until the end of firefight - so you have shotguns useless even now. But if you know how to run-and-gun (from cover to cover) - they are pretty good.

[YujoKameida]

Originally posted by HI5Turbine:

Well, look. Shotguns still have near x2 more burst damage at high "chaos" situations. In normal challenges you never can just hold LMB and make rain of bullets - you'll be just wiped by focused fire from enemies. So you can only have short windows to do damage. And shotguns shine in such way. If you prefer nested gameplay - sit at most ranged cover and never move until the end of firefight - so you have shotguns useless even now. But if you know how to run-and-gun (from cover to cover) - they are pretty good.

Yes this. shotguns require brains to use effectivly, i dont even run with a pistol anymore as standard. (i carry at least one of eatch wepon type for situation variation). Usually, AR, bolt action sniper and a sawn off, swap teh AR for a full shotty or SMG if its tight quarters and theres plenty of cover. A shotty will not help you outdoors unless you are close/its built up.

[Lyrdian]

Originally posted by HI5Turbine:

Well, look. Shotguns still have near x2 more burst damage at high "chaos" situations. In normal challenges you never can just hold LMB and make rain of bullets - you'll be just wiped by focused fire from enemies. So you can only have short windows to do damage. And shotguns shine in such way. If you prefer nested gameplay - sit at most ranged cover and never move until the end of firefight - so you have shotguns useless even now. But if you know how to run-and-gun (from cover to cover) - they are pretty good.

This is true., didnt really thinka bout it that way.

[Lyrdian]

Originally posted by Yujo Kameida:

Originally posted by Lyrdian:

1.5 added even more nerfs to shotgun output... which means YAY for PVP, but AWWWW for PVE.


Personally i fealt shotties in PVE were already kind of lackluster. IMO the closer you are to a mob the more dangerous it is... and the optimal range for Shotties is WAY too close (and moddin g for opt range doesnt help and really isnt recomended).
Nerfs to Acc, nerf to M870 dmg... i dunno. I feel like SMGs and Shotguns, while yes still viable in PVP have really fallen out for PVE, and this makes me sad. Tried using my Aug the other day and it fealt horrible. i dont want my beloved shotgun to do the same!

Clearly you havent been one shotted by a shotgun assaulter in challenge/heroic then.

That has no bearing on player weapons, the mobs arent affected by these nerfs :/

[Butler]

Originally posted by Dark Elf:

SMG's and Shotguns are really aimed at PVP (especially now that they've added the stagger in PVP) - but yes, most people use LMG's and AR's in PVE (that isn't to say you have too - it's just better to do so...)

Not me bro. SASG in Heroic makes me ♥♥♥♥ ROCK HARD.

[Papa Zen]

Originally posted by PhellAsleep:

I feel like the sausage is the only one viable in PvE.The damage output vs reload time of the other shotguns just isn't competitive with other weapons.

Yep, and the Double Barrel is a joke. The range damage fall off, the lack of damage, the lack of accuracy. Maybe it's a subtle dig at how good the double barrel was in Pay Day 2?

[Lyrdian]

Originally posted by Papa Zen:

Originally posted by PhellAsleep:

I feel like the sausage is the only one viable in PvE.The damage output vs reload time of the other shotguns just isn't competitive with other weapons.

Yep, and the Double Barrel is a joke. The range damage fall off, the lack of damage, the lack of accuracy. Maybe it's a subtle dig at how good the double barrel was in Pay Day 2?

agreed. my M870 im having to run quick mag AND a reload grip to make using it *efficient* at all in PVE combat.

[Edward Kenway]

I never used shotguns and never will so its not a problem for me!
Anyways theres other guns to use, LMGs are awsome, ARs to, and theres sniper rifles they are good to!

[®NapalmSunrise®]

Originally posted by canhoto69:

I never used shotguns and never will so its not a problem for me!
Anyways theres other guns to use, LMGs are awsome, ARs to, and theres sniper rifles they are good to!

Pretty much it, Build around your wants !!!