On which Tom Clancy book is based "The Division"?

[Fetito Fazzito]

On which Tom Clancy book is based "The Division"?

[Dark Elf]

None.

The gae is based on the world in general - and thus the reason they used the name. It also helps sell the game.

[soviergn]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

It's not based on any book. It's just under the banner IP of Tom Clancy for some damn reason. And poor old Tom must be spinning in his grave over it.

Why would he be? The games general story fits the overarching themes of his books exceedingly well. This is right in line with many clancy stories. And as has been said, the Clancy IP is more of a general type of story than it is a setting or anything else. That's the only thing that connects all of his books, movies, and now games.

[PocketYoda]

None its completely made up and nothing tom clancy at all bar the title.

Originally posted by soviergn:

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

It's not based on any book. It's just under the banner IP of Tom Clancy for some damn reason. And poor old Tom must be spinning in his grave over it.

Why would he be? The games general story fits the overarching themes of his books exceedingly well. This is right in line with many clancy stories. And as has been said, the Clancy IP is more of a general type of story than it is a setting or anything else. That's the only thing that connects all of his books, movies, and now games.

Because the tom clancy franchise wasn't anything like this game, while the game is ok for what it is, the tom clancy title was uneeded and only used to attract customers..

Tom Clancy Brings Intrigue and Espionage to the Franchise, the division brings none of that.

[ArmorLock]

The division wasn't based on any of tom clancy's book, but based on a real life goverment simulation called: "Operation Dark Winter"

[abaknchzbrgrr]

They just basically slapped "Tom Clancy" on it and instant Game, players want it, because it is a "Tom Clancy" Game.


"Tom Clancy: World Takes a Dump"

"Tom Clancy: POOP World"

"Tom Clancy: A New World Order of Crap"


Hey, it says Tom Clancy, Must be good.

[soviergn]

Originally posted by DanteYoda:

None its completely made up and nothing tom clancy at all bar the title.

Originally posted by soviergn:

Why would he be? The games general story fits the overarching themes of his books exceedingly well. This is right in line with many clancy stories. And as has been said, the Clancy IP is more of a general type of story than it is a setting or anything else. That's the only thing that connects all of his books, movies, and now games.

Because the tom clancy franchise wasn't anything like this game, while the game is ok for what it is, the tom clancy title was uneeded and only used to attract customers..

Tom Clancy Brings Intrigue and Espionage to the Franchise, the division brings none of that.

Traitors and the like are not an uncommon theme in his books either, unless you're forgetting the entirety of the first wave in the game. The whole Keener bit where he intentionally spreads the virus and forms a little army from the remnants of the first activation. That's not out of line with his books, and while yes, it lacks the espionage of several of his titles, there were quite a few that were right in line with it. To call this game out of theme with his work would be like calling rainbow six out of theme. It's the same ♥♥♥♥ different name of the unit.

That said, I don't really disagree that slapping Clancy on the game was unneeded. It was, but at the same time it's understandable. It's a bussiness, and if the game falls in line with his general themes, and they have the license to do it, there's no reason not to do so.

[RawkMode]

Originally posted by soviergn:

The whole Keener bit where he intentionally spreads the virus and forms a little army from the remnants of the first activation. That's not out of line with his books, and while yes, it lacks the espionage of several of his titles, there were quite a few that were right in line with it. To call this game out of theme with his work would be like calling rainbow six out of theme. It's the same ♥♥♥♥ different name of the unit.

Yep, I agree with this. I've read most of Clancy's stuff and the whole concept of "The Division" actually fits perfectly with it. It's not just the type of story, or the action involved either, it really is representative of Clancy's worldview (government-issue professional types laboring behind the scenes to save the world...and they know better than you, so why not let them just get on with it, what are you a Commie or something?)

If Clancy were alive, I'm fairly sure he would be quite happy to get paid to slap his name on this thing, so quit worrying about him rolling around in his grave.

[soviergn]

Originally posted by RawkMode:

Originally posted by soviergn:

The whole Keener bit where he intentionally spreads the virus and forms a little army from the remnants of the first activation. That's not out of line with his books, and while yes, it lacks the espionage of several of his titles, there were quite a few that were right in line with it. To call this game out of theme with his work would be like calling rainbow six out of theme. It's the same ♥♥♥♥ different name of the unit.

Yep, I agree with this. I've read most of Clancy's stuff and the whole concept of "The Division" actually fits perfectly with it. It's not just the type of story, or the action involved either, it really is representative of Clancy's worldview (government-issue professional types laboring behind the scenes to save the world...and they know better than you, so why not let them just get on with it, what are you a Commie or something?)

If Clancy were alive, I'm fairly sure he would be quite happy to get paid to slap his name on this thing, so quit worrying about him rolling around in his grave.

This exactly.

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by soviergn:

Originally posted by DanteYoda:

None its completely made up and nothing tom clancy at all bar the title.


Because the tom clancy franchise wasn't anything like this game, while the game is ok for what it is, the tom clancy title was uneeded and only used to attract customers..

Tom Clancy Brings Intrigue and Espionage to the Franchise, the division brings none of that.

Traitors and the like are not an uncommon theme in his books either, unless you're forgetting the entirety of the first wave in the game. The whole Keener bit where he intentionally spreads the virus and forms a little army from the remnants of the first activation. That's not out of line with his books, and while yes, it lacks the espionage of several of his titles, there were quite a few that were right in line with it. To call this game out of theme with his work would be like calling rainbow six out of theme. It's the same ♥♥♥♥ different name of the unit.

That said, I don't really disagree that slapping Clancy on the game was unneeded. It was, but at the same time it's understandable. It's a bussiness, and if the game falls in line with his general themes, and they have the license to do it, there's no reason not to do so.

I believe if tom clancy was still alive and had some say in what the Division was, we'd have seen a very different released game..

I will say the E3 trailer was a lot more of what i'd expect a Tom Clancy game to play like.. Sadly its just a name and well he probably is spinning lol.

[soviergn]

Originally posted by DanteYoda:

Originally posted by soviergn:

Traitors and the like are not an uncommon theme in his books either, unless you're forgetting the entirety of the first wave in the game. The whole Keener bit where he intentionally spreads the virus and forms a little army from the remnants of the first activation. That's not out of line with his books, and while yes, it lacks the espionage of several of his titles, there were quite a few that were right in line with it. To call this game out of theme with his work would be like calling rainbow six out of theme. It's the same ♥♥♥♥ different name of the unit.

That said, I don't really disagree that slapping Clancy on the game was unneeded. It was, but at the same time it's understandable. It's a bussiness, and if the game falls in line with his general themes, and they have the license to do it, there's no reason not to do so.

I believe if tom clancy was still alive and had some say in what the Division was, we'd have seen a very different released game..

I will say the E3 trailer was a lot more of what i'd expect a Tom Clancy game to play like.. Sadly its just a name and well he probably is spinning lol.

Except again, he wouldn't. The games story, when you remove all the sidemissions and just look at the main plot, are directly in line with the stuff he wrote. It could have been done far more, built up keener as a better villian, little more acts of heroism and whatnot from the division units, but the story itself is perfectly in line with the stuff he wrote. The only thing he'd be upset about is that the story wasn't finished when you finished the game. Hopefully they're going to finish it out with the Last Stand DLC, the final one, and it wasn't just a cheap setup for a sequel.

[soviergn]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Originally posted by soviergn:

Why would he be? The games general story fits the overarching themes of his books exceedingly well. This is right in line with many clancy stories. And as has been said, the Clancy IP is more of a general type of story than it is a setting or anything else. That's the only thing that connects all of his books, movies, and now games.

Doubt he ever would have devised of a scenario when they'd send in 24 agents in 6 choppers during one of the worst blizzards in NYC history just to retrieve a single container of antivirus from the Dark Zone when they knew specifically where it was located beforehand.

Nope, Clancy was far more clever than that in all of his books. He was be downright ashamed of most of what is in this game. His heirs must really be paid well to sign off on this crap.

That's still an irrelevant comparison. Just because he personally would have done it better does not mean that the games storyline and theme is not directly in line with his work. That's what the clancy name means these days. It's a theme.

[Dark Elf]

I love how everyone knew him personally and knows exactly what he'd be thinking.

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by BuzzardBee:

Originally posted by soviergn:

Why would he be? The games general story fits the overarching themes of his books exceedingly well. This is right in line with many clancy stories. And as has been said, the Clancy IP is more of a general type of story than it is a setting or anything else. That's the only thing that connects all of his books, movies, and now games.

Doubt he ever would have devised of a scenario when they'd send in 24 agents in 6 choppers during one of the worst blizzards in NYC history just to retrieve a single container of antivirus from the Dark Zone when they knew specifically where it was located beforehand.

Nope, Clancy was far more clever than that in all of his books. He was be downright ashamed of most of what is in this game. His heirs must really be paid well to sign off on this crap.

If the whole story is about us helping the doctor make an antivirus.. wtf is a crate of the stuff doing in the Dark Zone.. and well that in itself kinda explains the whole not tom clancy game.

Originally posted by Dark Elf:

I love how everyone knew him personally and knows exactly what he'd be thinking.

I don't know him personally i just thought he had more integrity and respect for his name and ip that The Division would have made him stop and say this is not worthy of my name..

If he were still alive.

[Okami]

We can all agree that while this game fall in line with the general
"realistic / not too distant future / use of advenced technologies, secret agent/cies / mass destruction threat (chemical biological nuclear) / american setting, point of view)"

that characterise most of his work, then Yes, the game fall into that. BUT TC's books (and movies adaptation) are much more deep and well constructed than the story of this game. Here, the scenarios is just a pretect to the gameplay.

so Yes and No. That's where all the argument come from.

[Grumpy_Old_Man]

Tom Clancy would have not written anything like this. He very much believed in "Conservative Family Values" that means he would never have included one LBGT character in his story... let alone two. The family sold the rights to Tom Clancy games to Ubisoft on his death.