Complaints about Bullfrog

[SWORDLION]

To people who complains that the Bullfrog is behind the m4 family, has less dmg, less stability etc etc.. You people either don't know how to make it great or just talking nonsense.

The weapon has higher damage output than m4 and has higher rate of fire idk how the hell you guys tell it has lower damage and without using a single stability mode you can make it stable thru backpack stability attribute and striker gear, that way you benefit from the Uncomplicated much more resulting in higher damage than any m4.So the Bullfrog is in a fine place I think.

[Serangel]

The difference isnt worth complaining about how ever the bullfrog in terms of pve dps is lower than the m4 family. On paper is does have more damage than them, but in practice it doesnt. Even putting all stab mods and rolling on the backpack, any highend m4 will be noticably more stable and with that, less missed shots.

Where the bullfrog does outshine the other M4's is in pvp. Uncomplicated isnt nerfed by tons of stab mods, which are replaced with CHC/CHD mods. Bullfrogs are monsters in pvp, but after testing both for pve, i'll take a HE m4 over it any day.

The complainers are literally doing the whole AK vrs AR debate with the bullfrog and M4, they both have differences that make them slightly better in certain roles, but it doesnt make one better in every way than the other. They are both equal, but better suited in different roles.

[Bender Bending Rodrigues]

Dont you need a stabilty build and have no mods for stability?

[Serangel]

Originally posted by FRACTURE:

Dont you need a stabilty build and have no mods for stability?

Even with stability maxed in mods on a bullfrog you'll still have 10% damage from uncomplicated. So it isnt aweful, but a m4 with ferocious, destructive, deadly/brutal/determined is a far better choice for pve because of how much better it is for keeping rounds on targets.

[opAw←G]

my only complaint is that i still dont have a bullfrog..

[SWORDLION]

Originally posted by Serangel:

The difference isnt worth complaining about how ever the bullfrog in terms of pve dps is lower than the m4 family. On paper is does have more damage than them, but in practice it doesnt. Even putting all stab mods and rolling on the backpack, any highend m4 will be noticably more stable and with that, less missed shots.

Where the bullfrog does outshine the other M4's is in pvp. Uncomplicated isnt nerfed by tons of stab mods, which are replaced with CHC/CHD mods. Bullfrogs are monsters in pvp, but after testing both for pve, i'll take a HE m4 over it any day.

The complainers are literally doing the whole AK vrs AR debate with the bullfrog and M4, they both have differences that make them slightly better in certain roles, but it doesnt make one better in every way than the other. They are both equal, but better suited in different roles.

I have m4s and bullfrog and I'm pretty sure I don't miss the shots really that much so I do more dmg with bullfrog.With +55% stability, recoil is not an issue, maybe it depends on the person using it too, yes m4 has much better recoil but has lower dmg and lower rpm, so I tested the weapons a lot and for me, it's the bullfrog that's better in pve, let alone in pvp it's definitely better already.

[SWORDLION]

Originally posted by FRACTURE:

Dont you need a stabilty build and have no mods for stability?

I stay at 14% of uncomplicated, so I benefit a lot and +55% stability makes it almost stable as a m4 and combined with higher rate of fire, it surpasses m4s.

[DEATHSTORKER]

Personnely I’ll take the house over the bullfrog it’s more stable and very good lose range

[SWORDLION]

Originally posted by DEATHSTORKER:

Personnely I’ll take the house over the bullfrog it’s more stable and very good lose range

The House is a very good weapon no doubt and my second favourite, for me they are on par, Bullfrog being slightly over it due to rate of fire which is what I really like and the range compared to it of course.

[Suptiger]

well from a 3000+ vet here Bullfrog is good not top of heap gun. M4 is best as is the just does not need any mods to make it stable. It fire ru=ight all the time and win all pvp fight 99% of the time. Bullfrog can win PvP fights but just cannot get you over the line for the final win. Also the 10% is not multplitive as other talents are that the M4 can have. So if you like it use it.

[twitch.tv/gogansol]

cant find bullfrog for 1000+hrs:(

[JazzBlueChally]

Bullfrog doesn't have higher damage then a LWM4/LVOA-C.

I have yet to die to a bullfrog user, if you are in SMG range and using a bullfrog you just do body shots but if you fighting at a slight distance your bullfrog becomes trash.

There's a reason a majority of the pvp guys use the LWM4/LVOA-C and the house.

[SWORDLION]

Originally posted by JazzBlueChally:

Bullfrog doesn't have higher damage then a LWM4/LVOA-C.

I have yet to die to a bullfrog user, if you are in SMG range and using a bullfrog you just do body shots but if you fighting at a slight distance your bullfrog becomes trash.

There's a reason a majority of the pvp guys use the LWM4/LVOA-C and the house.

No, it has higher damage IF you can make great use of Uncomplicated + higher rate of fire, majority uses it cause of the stability issues coming from Bullfrog or couldn't get yet one.At the end it comes to preference though.

[JazzBlueChally]

Originally posted by KILIÇARSLAN:

Originally posted by JazzBlueChally:

Bullfrog doesn't have higher damage then a LWM4/LVOA-C.

I have yet to die to a bullfrog user, if you are in SMG range and using a bullfrog you just do body shots but if you fighting at a slight distance your bullfrog becomes trash.

There's a reason a majority of the pvp guys use the LWM4/LVOA-C and the house.

No, it has higher damage IF you can make great use of Uncomplicated + higher rate of fire, majority uses it cause of the stability issues coming from Bullfrog or couldn't get yet one.At the end it comes to preference though.

Even with uncomplicated talent it's still weak.

It was only used in pvp during the alpha/ famas meta because you could bridge it now, no one uses it because the handling on the M4/LVOA is better.

Bullfrog needs a rework because it's very erratic, I'd use it if they bumped the damage up and improved the handling.

It's a beast up close with striker.

[Red Jello]

For PVE the bullfrog is better than the M4 , I have played with the bullfrog about 500 hrs now with many builds and every time in pve the bullfrog does more damage , even with alpha bridge the bullfrog just out preformed any assault rifle I own . I am even only using 17.5 stability from back pack still works great for me , trick for bullfrog is reload speed , 22.5% from holster and 30.5% from grip running 12% head shot damage mods as well,
The M4 is a great gun but after tweeking my bullfrog it is s superior weapon for pve , and in my striker build I have 74% EAD , 32.5% stability , 53% reload spd , the RoF from bullfrog gets stacks so fast , so in hands of striker amazing

[Hawk]

Originally posted by Red Jello:

For PVE the bullfrog is better than the M4 , I have played with the bullfrog about 500 hrs now with many builds and every time in pve the bullfrog does more damage , even with alpha bridge the bullfrog just out preformed any assault rifle I own . I am even only using 17.5 stability from back pack still works great for me , trick for bullfrog is reload speed , 22.5% from holster and 30.5% from grip running 12% head shot damage mods as well,
The M4 is a great gun but after tweeking my bullfrog it is s superior weapon for pve , and in my striker build I have 74% EAD , 32.5% stability , 53% reload spd , the RoF from bullfrog gets stacks so fast , so in hands of striker amazing

I don't know, I want to like it, granted the talents on the only one that I received are pure trash but replaced one of them. Honestly I don't see the stability, even with striker the thing waves all over the place with just a 10 round burst so I'm really not seeing it. I'm genuinely trying to use it but I'm not seeing the allure to it given how seemingly untamable it is. The inability to use any real sort of stab or accuracy mods hurt this weapon a bit too much for what is arguably not a great trade as far as damage buff talent goes.