The problem with the Dark Zone.

[Panini]

If you've been in the Dark Zone recently and are less than level 15, you probably already know about this.
Recently, there has been a large rise of groups of Level 99 people in the Dark Zone area with weapons that don't compare to those of lower levels and, of course, does nothing but make the Dark Zone unplayable for lower levels because of the fact these people usually just go on a manhunt and camp checkpoints.
There's probably nothing people can do about this, but just incase there actually is, I'm just making a thread here.
It's not that I'm 'salty' or anything, as I'm not losing anything when I walk out of a checkpoint and get immedietly killed by level 99 Rogues, but it's just not fun. And the fact that the Dark Zone has valuable weapons and gear makes it a bit fustrating for lower levels, as we can't get the items we need to progress without running around and doing side missions that are on other sides of the map.
So, the point is, can we actually do anything about these people? Because, if not, it makes the Dark Zone almost impossible to go about.

[Panini]

Originally posted by Cody:

Dark Zone level is meaningless. It is just a level system to show level of activity in that certain aspect of the game.

If you have better PvP gear, skills etc, then you will beat people regardless of their dark zone level.

The Dark Zone is a PvP zone. Complaning that people are PvPing at a higher function than what you can handle is a personal problem. Roam in groups, and most of the problems complained here will be solved.

The game has been out for a year, expecting you can walk into the Dark Zone with 10-25 hours in the game and be on equal grounds with everyone is insane. There is plenty of PvE stuff now that is actually better to farm for better gear than the Dark Zone.

The complaint that your being spawn camp in the DZ is silly, You can teleport to different checkpoints or better yet change servers.

You should be making threads asking for people to group up or help you in the DZ instead of complaining about a aspect in the game that is in the best state it has been since release.

I've already explained this.
1) If you go to a different checkpoint, they follow you.
2) Lower levels grouping up doesn't work, as I've done with about 8 lower levels to try to kill them, and we can't. Because they have extremely powerful weapons, and no one can kill them. And what's sad is that you say that it is in the best state, yet people are staying OUT of the DZ because its not fun when you have people slaughtering you, as you can't extract anything at all since they are level 99 and have gear that isn't even near comparable to others. The fact is that if they blocked off the higher levels from going rogue in the lower level area, it would be a much better place for people.
3) Dark Zone level isn't meaningless, because the higher the Dark Zone level, the better gear they can get from the checkpoints. Which makes it extremely stupid when you have people of that magnitude just going in and killing everybody SOLO. (If the first point of that is wrong, sorry for that.) The fact is, it's only playable for anyone lower than maybe 50 if the level 99 Rogues aren't online.

[Terroriza]

Originally posted by I'm lonely:

Originally posted by Cody:

Dark Zone level is meaningless. It is just a level system to show level of activity in that certain aspect of the game.

If you have better PvP gear, skills etc, then you will beat people regardless of their dark zone level.

The Dark Zone is a PvP zone. Complaning that people are PvPing at a higher function than what you can handle is a personal problem. Roam in groups, and most of the problems complained here will be solved.

The game has been out for a year, expecting you can walk into the Dark Zone with 10-25 hours in the game and be on equal grounds with everyone is insane. There is plenty of PvE stuff now that is actually better to farm for better gear than the Dark Zone.

The complaint that your being spawn camp in the DZ is silly, You can teleport to different checkpoints or better yet change servers.

You should be making threads asking for people to group up or help you in the DZ instead of complaining about a aspect in the game that is in the best state it has been since release.

I've already explained this.
1) If you go to a different checkpoint, they follow you.
2) Lower levels grouping up doesn't work, as I've done with about 8 lower levels to try to kill them, and we can't. Because they have extremely powerful weapons, and no one can kill them. And what's sad is that you say that it is in the best state, yet people are staying OUT of the DZ because its not fun when you have people slaughtering you, as you can't extract anything at all since they are level 99 and have gear that isn't even near comparable to others. The fact is that if they blocked off the higher levels from going rogue in the lower level area, it would be a much better place for people.
3) Dark Zone level isn't meaningless, because the higher the Dark Zone level, the better gear they can get from the checkpoints. Which makes it extremely stupid when you have people of that magnitude just going in and killing everybody SOLO. (If the first point of that is wrong, sorry for that.) The fact is, it's only playable for anyone lower than maybe 50 if the level 99 Rogues aren't online.

either make it so if the gap is too big the larger player can not attack the smaller one unless attacked first or the lower player is rogue already. this is such an easy thing to implement. another thing is they could improve the way these people get killed and why you would kill them..

if someone is doing this then there needs to be some type of bounty system that goes out into all of the world for everyone to see and they can start hunting them. it would send an alert thru the entire game saying player X has a bounty and the reward would be pretty significant so that people with good gear who maybe don't care about pvp will go into the area because they will see them on the map and go kill them.. this type of system would make those people think twice.

maybe once you reach a point of killing so many people of 10 levels or more lower or some other parameter the game starts sending friendly AI to kill you. the good guys in the game, jtf or whatever they are called.. after you do enough bad ♥♥♥♥ you get jtf elites who hunt you down and these guys would make the toughest enemies in the game look like little fluffy unicorns

[marcelFX]

The only problem with the dark zone is something called hacks, they should implement a PvE mode on dz separeted from pvp. It still a point of failure of ubi to not do a 3 party software to check trainers and hacks while the game is opened. They could use modes on dz in order to allow players to play on this area.

[Castade]

ive had NEVER ragequit over any game in my life, this game did it to me

[Nyperon]

Well. DZ lvl is meaningless, bigger dz doesnt mean better gear as you say. DZ lvl is just showing u how much time you have put in activities, landmarks, contaminated events + doing rogue stuff in the DZ. Above lvl 50 you can buy some stuff from dz vendors and lvl 10 I think to open some chests, thats all. So if u have good PVP gear, you can destroy lvl 99 even if u are lvl 0. Separating players by dz lvl is another ****. Im lvl 99, doing solo stuff since lvl 0 by 95%. That 5% i play with friends when they got some time to play. Why to go to dz to farm gear ? Play mission with bosses,play resistance to get lot of gear, play pve survival,play in team in the underground,incursions, play fokin Hvts to looot of loot,farm LZ bosses. Is not that enough ? Pve DZ will not work and not gonna to happen. Wanna try your gear in pvp but affraid of dz? Play last stand or skirmish. You can get lot of pvp experience that will help you later in dz. You have to realize its just a game,thats all. You think that Im not robbed by rogues in dz just because im lvl 99? Wrong! I am sometimes. But I fight back hard as I can. 4 man group is dropping me like a fly,every time. What can I do ? Change checkpoints or fight them. Or switch servers.It may seems that Im offensive and Im good in pvp,but thats not true. All Im trying to say is,that I enjoy Dz anyway. I like pvp,pve, I like to go rogue. You know why you dont ? Because u never tried it. Try,get better,get stronger and smarter. Trust me. Dz is great place. If u want to play about 20-30 hrs in this game and quit, then dont bother with pvp or dz. If u want to invest your time,play 100+ hrs then go for it. I have 512 hrs in this and I will continue.Its fantastic, great looking looter shooter game. Sry for my EN. Have a nice day guys , dont be affraid. :-) i.t.s. a g.a.m.e.

[donwag43]

I agree with CODY . If your going to dark zone Make sure your ready (Its a beech) I used to get pissed , but then i learned how to tweek my gear. Then its all (technique). do search and destroy and practice rolling , side to side, .Make the other guy miss. Its intense,. Ive beat maybe 1 out of 8 rogues. Its easier in a group.

[East]

I guess I am a part of the problem then. Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but people forget the hundreds of hours we worked to get said gear and said weapons. Not to mention the thousands of all the currencies we spent to give us an edge over other players.

Also, people make it sound like it's just Rogues hunting down squishy farmers. That's not the whole picture. You always have other PvP'ers join the fight and stop the rogues eventually. One guy literally spammed chat today, asking if someone can please take care of the stupid rogues killing farmers. And trust me, someone did.

On many occasions you have rogues that don't even steal your garbage. Check the chat window if the guy says "you can have your stuff back". Hell, I sometimes even call the extraction chopper for the guy. Or ask if you can join them and learn from them?

And don't get me started about the literal dozens of people camping the manhunt terminals since 1.8. Messing with rogues and manhunts has never been easier, folks. Just get your head out of your rears and team up. Put in a little effort and do some research as to what gear to equip. And for christ's sakes at least put on some toughness.

Most of all: Don't take it personal. It just happens, and rogues like to shoot first and ask questions later.

[Cody]

Mr. Lonely thinks he can tell people with hundreds of hours in the game how it works when he only has 25 hours lol.

Dark Zone level has nothing to do with loot drop. Its world Tier.

Stop saying lvl 99 are killing you, and start saying,

"People with better skill are beating me, because im too slow to understand that people have better gear than me, because i only have 25 hours on the game and too slow to understand how I can gear up fast and easy in PvE enviroments until I can hold my own in the DZ."

[GunsForBucks]

Originally posted by Cody:

Mr. Lonely thinks he can tell people with hundreds of hours in the game how it works when he only has 25 hours lol.

Dark Zone level has nothing to do with loot drop. Its world Tier.

Stop saying lvl 99 are killing you, and start saying,

"People with better skill are beating me, because im too slow to understand that people have better gear than me, because i only have 25 hours on the game and too slow to understand how I can gear up fast and easy in PvE enviroments until I can hold my own in the DZ."

Or you could say the PVP is bad in this game for new people.... and maybe they should make it so people have a choice isn't such a bad idea.

[Skunk]

I got this game less than one month ago and i enjoy it, i mostly played single player first 30 hours and at that time i found it very hard to survive in the dz, the key at lower levels is to invite anyone you encounter in your group and try to collaborate with them. Anyway this game really starts when you reach lvl 30 so try to push to reach it, the missions in the right side of the map will reward huge ammount of xp and boost you.

[Castade]

this is the most unfair game that exist on steam

[GunsForBucks]

Originally posted by Lord Henry:

this is the most unfair game that exist on steam

well to be fair the DZ part is only one part... the game is pretty awesome otherwise.

I can think of worse games for PVP...

[Castade]

i played all night and all morning in the DZ and found a level 276 legendary vest and i died because the other teammates did not come and help me and moments later another player shifted thru all i had just to pick up the vest and leave...i mean wow, there is no fairness in this game, especially in the DZ, yo may be in a team, but even so, there is barely any trust, its best to not go in the DZ

[Castade]

im so furiated with this game right now, i question to even start the game again, i have never been so pissed off over a game like this before

[GunsForBucks]

Originally posted by Lord Henry:

im so furiated with this game right now, i question to even start the game again, i have never need so pissed off over a game like this before

Stop going in the DZ.... if they see people leave and not come back they will have to do something... that is why they had the Rogue update to begin with... nothing is changed, hell it is worse.

Now with the benefits of fully optimized classified gear the disparity is even greater for new people. Just do not go in there until it gets fixed.