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The Elder Scrolls: Legends

What's the % chance of Adoring Fan returning...?
Can't find this info anywhere. Once Adoring Fan's been killed, what's the chance he comes back on turn start?
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HouseOfTheRat Aug 8, 2022 @ 12:53pm 
He will return every time. You can't stop him. Nobody can. Every time you think he is gone for good, he will find a way to return. Many have tried to banish him - they have all failed.
I was hoping for a non-joke answer, but thanks anyway.
HouseOfTheRat Aug 8, 2022 @ 1:18pm 
You should have asked on a non-joke forum! That said, my answer is 100% correct - the adoring fan will return. Now, if you mean the in-game card featuring the beloved Oblivion character, I am not sure what the percentage of that is. Maybe someone else knows.
Melkolf Aug 8, 2022 @ 6:12pm 
As far as I have ascertained there is no percentage chance - it's completely random.

How that randomness is established, be it so many turns after its removal or whether on a turn to turn basis, I have no clue.

In effect it's a bonus guard, be assured it will turn up, eventually, hopefully, but don't ever rely on it turning up, especially when you need it.

Well, that's the way I play it - oh, it's YOU, what's the news from the other parts of Tamriel?
Last edited by Melkolf; Aug 8, 2022 @ 6:27pm
Originally posted by Melkolf:
As far as I have ascertained there is no percentage chance - it's completely random.

That is just impossible. There is _something_ that governs when he comes back.
Melkolf Aug 8, 2022 @ 6:29pm 
Originally posted by Sage:
Originally posted by Melkolf:
As far as I have ascertained there is no percentage chance - it's completely random.

That is just impossible. There is _something_ that governs when he comes back.

Yes there is 'something'. But it's not necessarily a percentage chance, just randomness.

EDIT: For those interested in actually reading substance. Understand there are many ways of creating a random event or number within computer coding, many different formulae, many different algorithms, and very few are determined by percentages. Percentages are just one easy if not lazy way of doing it. It could be that AF reappears on how many cards are played (haven't noticed this though) or how much life is lost (again, not noticed) or mana cost of all cards played since removal etc etc etc. They are all feasible non-percentage chances though. And many more non-percentage methods do exist.
Last edited by Melkolf; Aug 8, 2022 @ 6:38pm
Originally posted by Melkolf:
Originally posted by Sage:

That is just impossible. There is _something_ that governs when he comes back.

Yes there is 'something'. But it's not necessarily a percentage chance, just randomness.

EDIT: For those interested in actually reading substance. Understand there are many ways of creating a random event or number within computer coding, many different formulae, many different algorithms, and very few are determined by percentages. Percentages are just one easy if not lazy way of doing it. It could be that AF reappears on how many cards are played (haven't noticed this though) or how much life is lost (again, not noticed) or mana cost of all cards played since removal etc etc etc. They are all feasible non-percentage chances though. And many more non-percentage methods do exist.

Ok, so this information has never been told, or dug out of the game's code? No one so far has understood the mechanism behind his coming back.
"It could be that AF reappears on how many cards are played (haven't noticed this though) or how much life is lost"

Then in those cases, it's not 'random'. It's a specific thing that happened.
Captain Mendoza Aug 11, 2022 @ 5:23pm 
Perhaps it's 50% chance... either he's comes, or he doesn't.
Melkolf Aug 11, 2022 @ 8:51pm 
Originally posted by Sage:
"It could be that AF reappears on how many cards are played (haven't noticed this though) or how much life is lost"

Then in those cases, it's not 'random'. It's a specific thing that happened.

Not necessarily - each of these could be determined randomly each time AF disappears back into the deck.

What I would imagine to be the most likely system if this is true is that AF gets placed into the deck at a numbered place and is drawn when that place is reached during regular play.

Where it is placed I would imagine is decided randomly each time it returns to the deck, similarly to how Therana's 3 0-cost cards, and all the other returning cards, are placed unless specifically noted as placed at the bottom etc.

In short, there is no percentage chance of it returning because where it is placed it is purely random each time.

However, we'll never know for certain until someone cracks the code wide open and lets us all in, or Sparkypants breaks silence on the matter.

EDIT: See my next post - it could be that returning cards reset the remaining deck like an initial mulligan. I'd think this is the most likely system for all returning cards.
Last edited by Melkolf; Aug 11, 2022 @ 9:10pm
Melkolf Aug 11, 2022 @ 8:58pm 
Originally posted by Captain Mendoza:
Perhaps it's 50% chance... either he's comes, or he doesn't.

Unlikely - see my post above.

It is also highly unlikely because that would mean all cards are drawn on a similar basis, which is clearly not the case.

After a mulligan, for example, the order of cards is reset/shuffled. It could be that AF returning similarly reorders the remaining deck, as would Therana's added cards etc.

It still doesn't point to a 'percentage' chance of anything being drawn in any case.

However, there is a changing 'probability' of whether any specific card is drawn next dependant upon the number of them remaining in the deck, the number of all cards remaining etc. In that sense there would be a percentage-defined probability but what that is changes as each successive card is drawn. And that's not what the OP meant by the flat percentage chance built into the actual system he intimated.
Last edited by Melkolf; Aug 11, 2022 @ 9:12pm
Correct, my % question was based off the incorrect assumption that he was removed from the game, then brought back. I thought each turn start had a % check. Now I see it could be many things.
HouseOfTheRat Aug 12, 2022 @ 11:59am 
He was actually removed and brought back many times, I am sure he will be returning soon lol
Melkolf Aug 12, 2022 @ 7:15pm 
Originally posted by Sage:
Correct, my % question was based off the incorrect assumption that he was removed from the game, then brought back. I thought each turn start had a % check. Now I see it could be many things.

The system governing these returning cards is an intriguing question though, and you were right to raise it for people to consider and discuss. I for one have often wondered just how Therana's cards and Shadowfax are returned seeing how I use them the most.

Just a shame we'll never know until a hacker cracks the game's code or Sparkypants explains the method, neither of which are remotely on the horizon at present.

Thanks for the push to start considering it more fully; I've never been motivated enough to do so before.
Melkolf Aug 12, 2022 @ 10:16pm 
Sage et al:

On further thought, I have assumed AF returns to the deck and this is probably an error.

I'm unable to check but could someone who plays AF see if it disappears into the discard pile. If it doesn't appear there then, and only then, will it return into the deck.

If it does go directly into the discard pile it is more than likely there is a simple percentage chance of it returning from there each turn; say 5% given it doesn't happen all that often. If it were 50% as someone suggested it would happen far more often.
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