Dwarf Spears, needed!

[PropaneTank]

I think the dwarf roster is pretty good, however when dealing with cav I think they need some form of spear unit, especially late game. What do other people think?

[[PHNX]Kordarus]

Dwarf Warriors already have bonus against cavalry and larger beast charge. Not sure why they would need a spear anyway. Dwarves are proud to fight with axe, pikes and hammers. Strong enough to keep bashing for a while, nothing like a toothpick to break after a few hits.

[PropaneTank]

I agree they can resist cav charge damage, but they have no special damage bonus against cav, that is what I'm looking for and with no cav of their own I think this wold be a good counter.. Even then I'm still happy with the roster and it is my favourite faction to play.

[[PHNX]Kordarus]

Originally posted by ;343786195667712180:

I agree they can resist cav charge damage, but they have no special damage bonus against cav, that is what I'm looking for and with no cav of their own I think this wold be a good counter.. Even then I'm still happy with the roster and it is my favourite faction to play.

Yeah, I understand the logic in this. But from what I heard, the Dwarves think the only reasons humans and goblins bring spears to a battle, is because of it's light and they can faster when it's time to flee the battlefield.

This is why no dwarf would ever accept to fight with a spear. Even if the ax they using broke, but this is very unlikely since Dwarves Weaponsmiths are probably the best you can find.

[The Mighty Mulletman]

I wouldn't say they need them but dwarf spear units did exist way back in the 3rd edition I believe.

[The One True Git]

Organ guns are pretty good against cav but i agree spears would be nice.

[Dracon]

Originally posted by The MulletMan:

I wouldn't say they need them but dwarf spear units did exist way back in the 3rd edition I believe.

I think later they were removed.

[SleepyNarwhalz]

They aren't in TT.

[Gamefever]

Dwarf Speardwarves?

Right...

[Naughty Mouse]

You pretty much never see Dwarfs with Spears in Warhammer Lore. Also many Dwarf Units have inherit defense against charge, negating the damage a charging unit does.

[Tyr]

Originally posted by Imperator:

I agree they can resist cav charge damage, but they have no special damage bonus against cav, that is what I'm looking for and with no cav of their own I think this wold be a good counter.. Even then I'm still happy with the roster and it is my favourite faction to play.

Who needs spears when you can have slayers?!?!? I Know they might seem expensive but getting 1 or 2 of them can really be worth it if your opponent uses alot of cav and monstous infantry.

Just use your longbeards to absorve cav and monster charges and then use your slayers to hit em from the rear , they will do massive damage to them and u can easily draw them back to safety if another charge comes.

[☁ Marble ☁]

I agree with the counter-arguments. With a lot of their units being able to soft counter cav by reducing the charge damage a dedicated spear unit would almost seem unbalanced.
I'd rather see a tolken mod that adds hog riding dwarves.
Does the WHF dwarfs have anything like that in the lore/TT?

[[PHNX]Kordarus]

Originally posted by Cannibal Ox:

I agree with the counter-arguments. With a lot of their units being able to soft counter cav by reducing the charge damage a dedicated spear unit would almost seem unbalanced.
I'd rather see a tolken mod that adds hog riding dwarves.
Does the WHF dwarfs have anything like that in the lore/TT?

No, they have no spear and no cavalry type units. The only thing you can call as their mobile unit is the gyrocopters. Otherwise, they are meant to be a slower, with smaller units than other faction. It may not seem logical like that if you come from the TW series and never played Warhammer on TT before, but the army in Warhammer are built to have differents strength and weakness when you play differents factions. So You have completely different playstyle in general.

Actually, it was my main concern at first when I heard there would be a TW Warhammer. I was afraid they would neglect the unique ^playstyle from different factions for more balance. While there is some decision made for more balance, you can still feel the different playstyle while playing 2 differents factions. What was not always the case with the previous TW titles.

[Gamefever]

As the poster said above,

This is WFB based...
So no SpearDwarves and no Calvery but the AirCorp.

WFB Dwarves are basically an entrenched ranged army for the most part and the game does a decent job of representing that depending on how you build your Dwarf Lord.

[Probably Lime]

SPEARS? What kind of Umgi foolishness is this? My father didn't need spears to fight the grobi, and me grandfather killed about a million Urks with his bare axe, and back in HIS grandfather's day they hadn't invented the axe yet so he cleared his hold of their filth with his bare hands! Spears! Listen, beardling, the day we need spears to deal with the Urks is the day we might as well shave our beards off and move in with the Umgi.

[jackhickman999]

Well they do need a buff to slayers to be honest its the main thing that they need so they won't need spears they need some small buffs , orks destroy dwarf infantry , slayers are too expensive for their actual value and gyro's are pretty bad as problem as slayers , but if spears goes against the lore of the dwarf then you are not going to get them , buffs are you best bet.

Thunderers are you best bet i guess.
When it come to hex wraiths and cairn wraiths don't even get me started.