Old World is propably dead - Age of Sigmar

[enpi1234]

What is your take on the total revamp of the warhammer fluff of the new Age of Sigmar edition? Old world is propably dead because the new world is a parallel world called Regalia. Will Warhammer: total war ride a dead fluff horse?

[ArchaicReaper]

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Don't even suggest that. We don't need the last bastion of real Warhammer sullied by that garbage.

Oh no, I don't want it at all as I to love Warhammer. I just highly expect knowing they are CA and SEGA usually milks sh*t they make that they are gonna do this.

While it's possible that they might have an End Times expansion or Campaign Pack, it would be separate from the Trilogy and thus have no bearing on the main game or it's two planned expansions. As for Age of Sigmar, no way it hell. It will not come to this game. GW hasn't even really launched it yet so I highly doubt they'd sell the rights to make a game out of it yet. Part of me feels like the only reason we're getting a TW:W at all is because GW was thinking of this for a while. Though that is somewhat unlikely. That they would knowingly sell the rights with the plan of scrapping it, years from then, for something entirely different. Then again, they must have had a plan for after the End Times. But it might have gone through multiple revisions before everything wound up exploding. Speculation and pointless worry aside, I'll get back to the point.
End Times, maybe later as it's own expansion or campaign. Age of Sigmar, no.

[Lawful Good]

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Don't even suggest that. We don't need the last bastion of real Warhammer sullied by that garbage.

Oh no, I don't want it at all as I to love Warhammer. I just highly expect knowing they are CA and SEGA usually milks sh*t they make that they are gonna do this.

I heard that AoS actually predates End of Times, so short of a wormhole sucking you back to AoS it won't be there. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I did read it somewhere in the tons of AoS material I've been reading.

[LoqD]

AoS is what happened after the world was destroyed in the End Times. Sigmar sets his base near where the core of the old world finally landed

[Artcake]

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Oh no, I don't want it at all as I to love Warhammer. I just highly expect knowing they are CA and SEGA usually milks sh*t they make that they are gonna do this.

I heard that AoS actually predates End of Times, so short of a wormhole sucking you back to AoS it won't be there. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I did read it somewhere in the tons of AoS material I've been reading.

From their website

"The World Before Time is gone. Shattered. Consigned to an oblivion no-one thought possible. The metallic core of that ill-fated world was hurled through the cosmos, the God-King Sigmar clinging desperately to its sigmarite surface. Aeons passed, until the core caught the attention of the great drake Dracothion; it was he who rescued Sigmar, and taught him the secrets of the Mortal Realms - connected by Realmgates and peacefully populated for many years.

But even in this utopia, Chaos would find a way to corrupt and distort everything. The Age Of Chaos gradually turned life in the realms into hell. Embracing wisdom instead of strength, Sigmar retreated to the Celestial Realm and began assembling the greatest mortal warriors, steeping..."

As the first part says "Aeons" have passed, so nope, this is so far ahead into the future, the concept of the Old World is not even a myth anymore.

[DyNaMiX]

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I heard that AoS actually predates End of Times, so short of a wormhole sucking you back to AoS it won't be there. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I did read it somewhere in the tons of AoS material I've been reading.

From their website

"The World Before Time is gone. Shattered. Consigned to an oblivion no-one thought possible. The metallic core of that ill-fated world was hurled through the cosmos, the God-King Sigmar clinging desperately to its sigmarite surface. Aeons passed, until the core caught the attention of the great drake Dracothion; it was he who rescued Sigmar, and taught him the secrets of the Mortal Realms - connected by Realmgates and peacefully populated for many years.

But even in this utopia, Chaos would find a way to corrupt and distort everything. The Age Of Chaos gradually turned life in the realms into hell. Embracing wisdom instead of strength, Sigmar retreated to the Celestial Realm and began assembling the greatest mortal warriors, steeping..."

As the first part says "Aeons" have passed, so nope, this is so far ahead into the future, the concept of the Old World is not even a myth anymore.

"Sigmarite surface".... uhh, what? He's clinging to a surface named after him... but existed before him?

[Reverend Belial]

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From their website

"The World Before Time is gone. Shattered. Consigned to an oblivion no-one thought possible. The metallic core of that ill-fated world was hurled through the cosmos, the God-King Sigmar clinging desperately to its sigmarite surface. Aeons passed, until the core caught the attention of the great drake Dracothion; it was he who rescued Sigmar, and taught him the secrets of the Mortal Realms - connected by Realmgates and peacefully populated for many years.

But even in this utopia, Chaos would find a way to corrupt and distort everything. The Age Of Chaos gradually turned life in the realms into hell. Embracing wisdom instead of strength, Sigmar retreated to the Celestial Realm and began assembling the greatest mortal warriors, steeping..."

As the first part says "Aeons" have passed, so nope, this is so far ahead into the future, the concept of the Old World is not even a myth anymore.

"Sigmarite surface".... uhh, what? He's clinging to a surface named after him... but existed before him?

Sigmar was first a mortal, then a god, then a more powerful god with the release of AoS. He was the man who united (most of) the humans into what we now know as the Empire, and after his death his spirit watched over and protected them. Sigmarite was named after him before the Old World blew up.

[DyNaMiX]

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"Sigmarite surface".... uhh, what? He's clinging to a surface named after him... but existed before him?

Sigmar was first a mortal, then a god, then a more powerful god with the release of AoS. He was the man who united (most of) the humans into what we now know as the Empire, and after his death his spirit watched over and protected them. Sigmarite was named after him before the Old World blew up.

I get all that part about Sigmar himself. It seems I misread that section I quoted. I thought he came upon something called Sigmarite. I didn't realise "the metallic core" was the old world.

Either way this whole "realmgate" thing sounds a lot like "the Warp" of 40k. :/

[Reverend Belial]

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Sigmar was first a mortal, then a god, then a more powerful god with the release of AoS. He was the man who united (most of) the humans into what we now know as the Empire, and after his death his spirit watched over and protected them. Sigmarite was named after him before the Old World blew up.

I get all that part about Sigmar himself. It seems I misread that section I quoted. I thought he came upon something called Sigmarite. I didn't realise "the metallic core" was the old world.

Either way this whole "realmgate" thing sounds a lot like "the Warp" of 40k. :/

I imagine that it's probably closer to the Webway, since it has structured gates and all. But yeah, so far it seems like it's just a reskinned 40k

[Lawful Good]

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I get all that part about Sigmar himself. It seems I misread that section I quoted. I thought he came upon something called Sigmarite. I didn't realise "the metallic core" was the old world.

Either way this whole "realmgate" thing sounds a lot like "the Warp" of 40k. :/

I imagine that it's probably closer to the Webway, since it has structured gates and all. But yeah, so far it seems like it's just a reskinned 40k

From a 40K perspective that makes sense, because they created a universe in which warhammer fantasy could easily have occured. Even in 40 there are 10s of thousands of years planets are left isolated and reverted to medival times with no tech from the Imperium of Man.

[Reverend Belial]

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I imagine that it's probably closer to the Webway, since it has structured gates and all. But yeah, so far it seems like it's just a reskinned 40k

From a 40K perspective that makes sense, because they created a universe in which warhammer fantasy could easily have occured. Even in 40 there are 10s of thousands of years planets are left isolated and reverted to medival times with no tech from the Imperium of Man.

40k and WHFB are two seperate universes, just based off of the same common ideas. If they were in the same universe however WHFB would take place after the 40k galaxy lost the war against Chaos, rather than just being an isolated planet.

[Chaotic Entropy]

Age of Sigmar is an abomination... I am just mortified with the utter pants on head retardedness with which Game Workshop treats it's IPs.

[enpi1234]

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From a 40K perspective that makes sense, because they created a universe in which warhammer fantasy could easily have occured. Even in 40 there are 10s of thousands of years planets are left isolated and reverted to medival times with no tech from the Imperium of Man.

40k and WHFB are two seperate universes, just based off of the same common ideas. If they were in the same universe however WHFB would take place after the 40k galaxy lost the war against Chaos, rather than just being an isolated planet.

they have been 2 seperate universes, but now this has changed, its perfectly possible that regalia is just a place in history of the 40k cosmos. its even possible in this speculation that they change the 40k lore to evolve the god sigmar into a future 40k god emperor of mankind. the similarities between these 2 persons are obvious.

In my opinion 40k gets the AoS treatment too (reboot of system and lore) in 2 years or so.

[Artcake]

Actually,originally WH40k and WHFB were based within the same universe. There were references about the Old World within 40K (existing in parallel rather than being an evolution of the Old World). It was later on they decided to split the two completely.

[Lawful Good]

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40k and WHFB are two seperate universes, just based off of the same common ideas. If they were in the same universe however WHFB would take place after the 40k galaxy lost the war against Chaos, rather than just being an isolated planet.

they have been 2 seperate universes, but now this has changed, its perfectly possible that regalia is just a place in history of the 40k cosmos. its even possible in this speculation that they change the 40k lore to evolve the god sigmar into a future 40k god emperor of mankind. the similarities between these 2 persons are obvious.

In my opinion 40k gets the AoS treatment too (reboot of system and lore) in 2 years or so.

WH40K makes money. It is very popular. WH Fantasy just wasn't as popular. Not saying it was not as cool, it just didn't make the $$ 40K does.

There will be no reboot of 40K provided there is no need for one. Standard business practices.

[niallphillips]

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they have been 2 seperate universes, but now this has changed, its perfectly possible that regalia is just a place in history of the 40k cosmos. its even possible in this speculation that they change the 40k lore to evolve the god sigmar into a future 40k god emperor of mankind. the similarities between these 2 persons are obvious.

In my opinion 40k gets the AoS treatment too (reboot of system and lore) in 2 years or so.

WH40K makes money. It is very popular. WH Fantasy just wasn't as popular. Not saying it was not as cool, it just didn't make the $$ 40K does.

There will be no reboot of 40K provided there is no need for one. Standard business practices.

If they can get enough fantasy players to dump their collections and buy other armies for this new setting I can see them doing the very same to 40K.

GW has - since it was floated - always been about the cash grab.