Dwarfs or high elves?

[Túreo_inórë]

Now dwarfs and the high elves are the 2 completly elite armies in the warhammer world,i have noticed that there is a major argument in who is better in a piched fight.So what do you think about them?Who is better in warmachines,infantry,range and magic or magic protection?

[Wyrm]

>Elite
>Armies

I Think you have the wrong game..

[Túreo_inórë]

Originally posted by TZULA :D:

>Elite
>Armies

I Think you have the wrong game..

would you mind if you stoped trolling about any mistake i make?You can read it dont you?Oh and just to inform you elite is writen with a e not E if you are putting it on a sentence,it is E only when it is in the start of the sentence.

[Reverend Belial]

I'd say that the Elves are better on the offense and (obviously) have the better magic, but the Dwarves have them outclassed in every other category except speed or weapon dexterity.

[ArchaicReaper]

Well going by Lore in the War of Vengeance the Dwarfs won. But that could easily be attributed do a hasty, arrogant Elven King who underestimated his enemy and got killed charging their lines combined with a sudden Dark Elf attack on Ulthuan which forced them to quit their war with the Dwarfs. Before that I think it was mostly a stalemate.
Dwarfs have the easy win in artillery and range because cannons and many guns. Elves have the easy win in magic because the Dwarfs don't have any. So it comes down to infantry. Given that Elves have much more variety in magic, they can buff their soldiers to cause some serious damage. And they should because they won't last long in a fight with Dwarfs. I'd go with the High Elves due to magic superiority but I still wouldn't bet on it. Especially not if the Dwarfs bring an Anvil of Doom to contest their magic.

[Túreo_inórë]

Originally posted by ArchaicReaper:

Well going by Lore in the War of Vengeance the Dwarfs won. But that could easily be attributed do a hasty, arrogant Elven King who underestimated his enemy and got killed charging their lines combined with a sudden Dark Elf attack on Ulthuan which forced them to quit their war with the Dwarfs. Before that I think it was mostly a stalemate.
Dwarfs have the easy win in artillery and range because cannons and many guns. Elves have the easy win in magic because the Dwarfs don't have any. So it comes down to infantry. Given that Elves have much more variety in magic, they can buff their soldiers to cause some serious damage. And they should because they won't last long in a fight with Dwarfs. I'd go with the High Elves due to magic superiority but I still wouldn't bet on it. Especially not if the Dwarfs bring an Anvil of Doom to contest their magic.

That was my thought too,the elves have the best magic in the WFB after the lizardmen and they could anahilate a dwarf army with some spells alone.yet the dwarfs have the resistance rule which makes them more resistant against magic,if you bring some runesmiths along and even worse an anvil of doom the dwarfs can shut down the entire magic phase of any enemy even elves with relative ease,not to mention that dwarf rune magic works the same in any area of the warhammer world unlike normal magic.

In a range duel the dwarfs will ♥♥♥♥ the elves very easily and with not much casualties, dwarf quarrelers have heavy armor,can take shields,are as good as dwarf warriors in melee and have better missle damage than the high elves archers with light armor,no shields and suck in melee (compared to dwarfs,they are by no means bad),the elves win when range and acuraccy is involved.Well no need to talk about warmachines,the dwarfs defeat anyone in that section.

Dwarf infantry are the best tanks you can imagine,the heaviest armour in the warhammer universe save for chaos armour combined with excelent stats and most times shields not to mention that they have the morale of royal spartans and even better,the speed of them however is ♥♥♥♥.The elves are the completly opposite,the best melee stats,great speed,good charge and mediocre armour are the ultimate shock units,in a fight bewteen ironbreakers or hammerers against phoinix guard and swordmasters?Not sure,the elves will make a devastating charge and they are monsters in melee not to mention they can be magically buffed but they will find themselves against super heavy runic mithril armour wearing dwarfs that have fought the scariest things you can imagine and they can also be buffed and most importantly remove the buffs from your units if they have some support laying around (something that the elves can not do to rune magic),a rune of oath and steel combined wth having a runesmith around will make the dwarfs almost imnume to damage.

The question is:Who wins?The unstobable hammer or the unbreaking anvil?

[yourbasicstud]

Neither, The tomb kings could easily annihilate both at the same time. So, anyone else think their good enough to take on the fury of settra the imperishable?

[ArchaicReaper]

Originally posted by yourbasicstud:

Neither, The tomb kings could easily annihilate both at the same time. So, anyone else think their good enough to take on the fury of settra the imperishable?

No they couldn't. Liche Priests are going to have a hard time competing with High Elf Archmages, and those Skull Catapults are no match for Dwarf Cannons. Tomb King infantry is not as good as High Elven or Dwarf infantry. They need buffs from the Liche Priests to fight them, and that can be shut down by the Archmage or the Anvil of Doom. Those Chariots are going to have a tough time getting through a Dwarf firing line too.
And an extra fun fact, Settra the Imperishable got curbstomped by Nagash in the End Times.
I like the Tomb Kings too, but I'm not about to go around proclaiming any one Army is so vastly superior to any other.
Also, this thread is about Elves and Dwarfs, the undead have no place here. At least not on the field.

[Reverend Belial]

Originally posted by ArchaicReaper:

And an extra fun fact, Settra the Imperishable got curbstomped by Nagash in the End Times.

To be fair that's because Nagash is basically a god and Settra's battle tactic was "head-on charge".

[ArchaicReaper]

Originally posted by Reverend Belial:

Originally posted by ArchaicReaper:

And an extra fun fact, Settra the Imperishable got curbstomped by Nagash in the End Times.

To be fair that's because Nagash is basically a god and Settra's battle tactic was "head-on charge".

True, which is basically what would happen if Tomb Kings attacked a unified High Elven/Dwarf army. So it all feeds back in anyway.

[Túreo_inórë]

Tomb kings are vastly inferior to quality,training and magic compared to the dwarfs and the high elves,they have superior numbers however and some monsters.Even the best of tomb kings couldnt defeat ironbreakers or hammeres neither phoinix guard and swordmasters,their cav will get buchered by dragon princes and silver helms and if they dare attacking a dwarfen shiled wall head on they are in for a very bad time.Teclis and the elven archmages will anahilate lich priests easily adn the anvil of doom with some runesmiths along will shut down the entire magic phase of the tomb kings.

Just a note,i am not saying that tomb kings are useless,they can defeat the dwarfs or the high elves if they use good tactics and superior numbers,they will lose if they charge straight in to the dwarfen or elven lines.

Well Nagash was so powerfull that his magic anahilated the entire tomb king army with almost no effort,Nagash then asked setra to join him as one of his mortarchs,he deinied and then nagash beheaded him and destroyed khermri.

[EM-10]

Honestly? I can't help but thing the Dwarves would win, but maybe I'm just a little biased because I like the Dwarves better. The main thing the Elves have going for them is their magic, which the Dwarves can counter...But the Dwarves have all sort of technological innovation on their side. Guns, Cannons, Gyrocopters, Flamethrowers.

It'd be a pitched battle but to my knowledge the Elves don't have a device that could stop a gun from being effective. The whole Anvil of Doom bit can effectively take the Elven magic out of the equation, but the Dwarven Guns would probably keep on a firin'.

[Morpheuskom]

Well magic, enchanted weapons/amour and martial prowess.

Oh and back in the day all Dragon Princes were riding actual Dragons.

[EM-10]

Originally posted by HoE-Morpheuskom:

Well magic, enchanted weapons/amour and martial prowess.

Oh and back in the day all Dragon Princes were riding actual Dragons.

Is it bad that I now want to watch Dragon Riding Dragon Princes doing battle with all sorts of crazy assortment of enemies?

[Lukasz]

Originally posted by xnikolasbs:

The question is:Who wins?The unstobable hammer or the unbreaking anvil?

Thats a questions for the ages, that what makes Warhammer great, on the battlefield anybody has a chance of winning

Personally, if the Dwarfs use the anvil to render magic useless - bearing in mind the High Elves are a very magic using race - then they may just edge it. Only because of the technology and the tank like infantory, however the High Elves have got some great creatures onside.....hmmm....it's a tough one lol

[Morpheuskom]

Thing is regarding Warhammer Lore...once the High Elves die the world ends. They keep Chaos at bay and Dwarves are insanely stupid to weaken them.