Ask me lore questions

[Reverend Belial]

Alright, I guess it's about time that I updated this description.

This is a place for newcomers to the lore, or veterans looking to fact-check, to come and ask questions about the lore of Warhammer Fantasy.

FAQ:
Q: Is 40k and Fantasy the same universe?
A: No. 40k discussions go in this thread. http://steamcommunity.com/app/364360/discussions/0/333656722976215057/

Q: What is the End Times and why did it happen?
A: The End Times is the destruction of the Warhammer Fantasy setting, both in and out of universe. Chaos won the final confrontation and destroyed the world, beginning a new cycle and franchise. Out-of-universe this was done because Fantasy's models were costing Games Workshop more money than they were making them so they decided to scrap the setting entirely and reboot it as an 80's power metal album cover.

Disclaimers/Guidelines (I know that we're not supposed to back-seat moderate but sometimes it's necessary to keep things organized):
1. The most important thing; I AM NOT ALWAYS RIGHT. Do not take what I say as the gospel truth, I can forget and I can misread things just like everybody else. My knowledge of the Elves is also pretty shady. There are several regulars around who tend to fill in blanks or correct me if I'm wrong though, so you'll probably get your answer regardless.

2. Repeat questions are ok, so long as the question hasn't been asked on the same page or the one before it. I don't expect anybody to sift through 3000+ posts, but a light skim of the previous page won't kill anybody.

3. GW is extremely vague on many things, so sometimes there just simply isn't an answer to your question. They're also prone to retcons so sometimes what you think is the answer is no longer valid.

4. Try to avoid arguments. I know that sometimes they're unavoidable, but please don't deliberately antagonize anybody. Pretty basic.

5. Sit back, read, and enjoy.

6. No questions about CA's design decisions, or attempts to explain them. It's pointless, and just starts arguments and existential despair.

7. No using the word "strawman". It's a personal thing, it just grates on me.

8. No continuing the "Skaven don't exist" meme outside the context of the lore. I know it's fun sometimes, but it's old, tired, and just wants to rest. Plus it grates on other people.

[Argronok0]

What can the Tomb Kings do as an Undead Faction that the Vampire Counts do not?

[SleepyNarwhalz]

Originally posted by Lord Bear:

What can the Tomb Kings do as an Undead Faction that the Vampire Counts do not?

The bow wielding skeletons come readily to mind

[The God Emperor]

Originally posted by TheOSB:

Originally posted by jerjare:

They played out the 'every world is a potential Tomb World' angle too hard with the Necrons. I swear you can't take a single step without waking up a grumpy robo-skeleton and that skeleton can't even stand up straight without turning around and

CREEEEEEEEDDDD!

I know I'm the minority but I genuinely like the Space tomb kings thing way more than standard terminator rip offs. That high Egyptian style is so cool

I feel the same way

[Argronok0]

How do you say Bugman's "XXXXXX"?

Never pronounced that alchohol terminology? All I can call it is litirally saying X six times.

[Argronok0]

In the Thorgrim Grudgebearer trailer, he mentions 3 specific Grudges when talking about the Dammaz Kron, as follows:

"Clan Gurnisson, Karak-Eight-Peaks, Josef Bugman"

What was the Grudge concering this Clan Gurnisson?

[LeftClickHero]

Originally posted by Lord Bear:

In the Thorgrim Grudgebearer trailer, he mentions 3 specific Grudges when talking about the Dammaz Kron, as follows:

"Clan Gurnisson, Karak-Eight-Peaks, Josef Bugman"

What was the Grudge concering this Clan Gurnisson?

ive had look online for you cauuse i was interested myself, its mostly relates to gotrek gurnison and his great shame. he killed most of a royal court including the hold king then becomes a slayer. though this paticular grudge is most kept mostly a mystry it seems

[Salty Slothy]

Originally posted by Lord Bear:

How do you say Bugman's "XXXXXX"?

Never pronounced that alchohol terminology? All I can call it is litirally saying X six times.

Probably "Bugman's Hex" or something because Hex means six and there's six Xs. I've heard people referrring to Heiniken XX as "heineken Double"

[helibaster]

What have Josef Bugman done to piss Thorgrim off?

[Ysthrall]

Re the beer, it's phonetically Bugmanns six-X.. Like Heinekein 4 X, four-star petrol, and similar.

Re Bugman, the grudge is not due to him, but to what was done to him: The destruction of the most awesome and mastercrafted brewery in the Karaz Ankor.

[Argronok0]

Originally posted by helibaster:

What have Josef Bugman done to piss Thorgrim off?

Josef Bugman is the victim, not the perpatraitor of the Grudge.

To sum up.

Josef Bugman was the greatest Ale Brewer in all of Dwarfendom.

Than everything changed when the Goblins ransacked his Brewery.

Now he swore an eternal vengeance against the Goblins responsible.

Because Dwarfs in Warhammer treats their Beer SERIOUSLY.

[Jakal, Lady kisser]

Originally posted by Lord Bear:

In the Thorgrim Grudgebearer trailer, he mentions 3 specific Grudges when talking about the Dammaz Kron, as follows:

"Clan Gurnisson, Karak-Eight-Peaks, Josef Bugman"

What was the Grudge concering this Clan Gurnisson?

a clan of goblins attacked the bugman breweries while he was hand delivering a batch of bugman's to the emperor, killing everyone and spoiling the ale stores in the process and causing josef bugman to put aside brewing until he'd had his vengance. the entirety of the dwarf race put the loss of his ales into their lists of grudges.

this is how seriously dwarfs regard their ales. that act literally moved nagash down a place in importance to the dwarfs.

Originally posted by Lord Bear:

How do you say Bugman's "XXXXXX"?

Never pronounced that alchohol terminology? All I can call it is litirally saying X six times.

six-X, lik he said, but dwarfs usually prononce it "bugman's best", as he's made a lot of ales and that's the best of them all.

[Castor]

Murderous rage over lost beer. One of many reasons I love the Dawi.

[Reverend Belial]

Originally posted by Daryl:

Would any sentient sane creature ever come to love Morghur? Something his parents denied him since birth

No. He has literally no redeeming qualities, and is the personification of the biggest enemy to the civilized races.

Originally posted by -VI-Brinklight:

Originally posted by Reverend Belial:

Frankly I'd be surprised too, but since he's actually in the army book I feel like he's a better/more likely pick than Todbringer.

Ultimately though I just have to hope. I'll be really angry/disappointed if they leave the game unfinished (it's obvious they will, but I can't settle for believing that), so I'll keep advocating for things like Leitdorf or King Kazador until this game's last breath.

Who is Kazador? Why is he immportant?

King Kazador is, as stated, the King of Karak Azul. He is much bigger (in height and girth, but it's all muscle) and considerably stronger than just about any other Dwarf, and has a personal goal to take Black Crag because Morglum (or whoever it is that owns it, I always forget since Grimgor's presence throws me off) invaded his hold, shamed his son, murdered his most revered living ancestor, and kidnapped a bunch of other Dwarfs and the rest of his family.

The pain of his loss is slowly sapping at his strength though, and he has an open bounty out to anybody willing to try and infiltrate or invade Black Crag to either return his family or give him definitive news about their deaths.

He's quite depressing actually.

Originally posted by TheOSB:

I know I'm the minority but I genuinely like the Space tomb kings thing way more than standard terminator rip offs. That high Egyptian style is so cool

I for one agree with out. It's a lot better than the "mindless space skeletons" thing they had going before that.

Originally posted by Lord Bear:

What can the Tomb Kings do as an Undead Faction that the Vampire Counts do not?

Use advanced tactics, create animated statues, win major battles without immediately getting thrown back out, be cool.

Originally posted by Lovely Jakal:

a clan of goblins attacked the bugman breweries while he was hand delivering a batch of bugman's to the emperor, killing everyone and spoiling the ale stores in the process and causing josef bugman to put aside brewing until he'd had his vengance. the entirety of the dwarf race put the loss of his ales into their lists of grudges.

this is how seriously dwarfs regard their ales. that act literally moved nagash down a place in importance to the dwarfs.

To elaborate on this, Bugman is considered universally to be the singe best brewer in the world (the Elves probably disagree, but only because they prefer wine to beer) by a rather wide margin. The loss of his brewery is basically a personal blow to every single beer drinker on the planet because that means that all of his works now have a finite number since he isn't making more (or at least not distributing more, it's implied he still brews small quantities for his Rangers), and since Dwarfs pretty much only drink alcohol they take the blow harder than most and see it as a great loss for their entire race.

I'd give a real-world example of what it would be like, but I honestly can't think of anybody as prolific in the real world as Bugman is in Warhammer.

[Jakal, Lady kisser]

Originally posted by Reverend Belial:

Originally posted by Lovely Jakal:

a clan of goblins attacked the bugman breweries while he was hand delivering a batch of bugman's to the emperor, killing everyone and spoiling the ale stores in the process and causing josef bugman to put aside brewing until he'd had his vengance. the entirety of the dwarf race put the loss of his ales into their lists of grudges.

this is how seriously dwarfs regard their ales. that act literally moved nagash down a place in importance to the dwarfs.

To elaborate on this, Bugman is considered universally to be the singe best brewer in the world (the Elves probably disagree, but only because they prefer wine to beer) by a rather wide margin. The loss of his brewery is basically a personal blow to every single beer drinker on the planet because that means that all of his works now have a finite number since he isn't making more (or at least not distributing more, it's implied he still brews small quantities for his Rangers), and since Dwarfs pretty much only drink alcohol they take the blow harder than most and see it as a great loss for their entire race.

I'd give a real-world example of what it would be like, but I honestly can't think of anybody as prolific in the real world as Bugman is in Warhammer.

bugman actually is stated to trade producing a batch of ale in exchange for military aid in destroying a force of goblins he's found but doesn't have sufficent power to reasonably destroy. normally no dwarf brewer would accept someone else mucking about in their kit, but bugmans is something of an excpetion. still makes it terrifyingly rare to a dwarf mind though.

i think a good comparison is if all the craft-beer producers were suddenly leveled, and natty ice filled the production gap. the thought makes me furious, at least.

[Cyprinodon]

Originally posted by Lovely Jakal:

Originally posted by Reverend Belial:

To elaborate on this, Bugman is considered universally to be the singe best brewer in the world (the Elves probably disagree, but only because they prefer wine to beer) by a rather wide margin. The loss of his brewery is basically a personal blow to every single beer drinker on the planet because that means that all of his works now have a finite number since he isn't making more (or at least not distributing more, it's implied he still brews small quantities for his Rangers), and since Dwarfs pretty much only drink alcohol they take the blow harder than most and see it as a great loss for their entire race.

I'd give a real-world example of what it would be like, but I honestly can't think of anybody as prolific in the real world as Bugman is in Warhammer.

bugman actually is stated to trade producing a batch of ale in exchange for military aid in destroying a force of goblins he's found but doesn't have sufficent power to reasonably destroy. normally no dwarf brewer would accept someone else mucking about in their kit, but bugmans is something of an excpetion. still makes it terrifyingly rare to a dwarf mind though.

i think a good comparison is if all the craft-beer producers were suddenly leveled, and natty ice filled the production gap. the thought makes me furious, at least.

im a non beer drinking canadian and even i take offense at that.