Ask me lore questions

[Reverend Belial]

Alright, I guess it's about time that I updated this description.

This is a place for newcomers to the lore, or veterans looking to fact-check, to come and ask questions about the lore of Warhammer Fantasy.

FAQ:
Q: Is 40k and Fantasy the same universe?
A: No. 40k discussions go in this thread. http://steamcommunity.com/app/364360/discussions/0/333656722976215057/

Q: What is the End Times and why did it happen?
A: The End Times is the destruction of the Warhammer Fantasy setting, both in and out of universe. Chaos won the final confrontation and destroyed the world, beginning a new cycle and franchise. Out-of-universe this was done because Fantasy's models were costing Games Workshop more money than they were making them so they decided to scrap the setting entirely and reboot it as an 80's power metal album cover.

Disclaimers/Guidelines (I know that we're not supposed to back-seat moderate but sometimes it's necessary to keep things organized):
1. The most important thing; I AM NOT ALWAYS RIGHT. Do not take what I say as the gospel truth, I can forget and I can misread things just like everybody else. My knowledge of the Elves is also pretty shady. There are several regulars around who tend to fill in blanks or correct me if I'm wrong though, so you'll probably get your answer regardless.

2. Repeat questions are ok, so long as the question hasn't been asked on the same page or the one before it. I don't expect anybody to sift through 3000+ posts, but a light skim of the previous page won't kill anybody.

3. GW is extremely vague on many things, so sometimes there just simply isn't an answer to your question. They're also prone to retcons so sometimes what you think is the answer is no longer valid.

4. Try to avoid arguments. I know that sometimes they're unavoidable, but please don't deliberately antagonize anybody. Pretty basic.

5. Sit back, read, and enjoy.

6. No questions about CA's design decisions, or attempts to explain them. It's pointless, and just starts arguments and existential despair.

7. No using the word "strawman". It's a personal thing, it just grates on me.

8. No continuing the "Skaven don't exist" meme outside the context of the lore. I know it's fun sometimes, but it's old, tired, and just wants to rest. Plus it grates on other people.

[Daryl]

Originally posted by Dracon:

Originally posted by Daryl:

I should write for GW
Maybe i'll do a better job than Matt Ward's entire career

If you would rehash whole AoS and make decent story out of it you would become legend.

Instead of Sigmar floating in space and farting everyone back in existence?

hmmm...
Could make it there is a fluff where during the End times; something could've happened from the ploy of other races to try and stop the End Times
where time reversed some 10 years from the End of the World.
and the one who witnessed it all would be one of the few people whom had remained alive during the last second of the event; Perhaps The Eternity King
which is overly complicated given Malekith's nature as he would likely keep it all to himself.
This will give time for the final battle to take a different route
and reseat Slaanesh upon his throne where he can eternally play with his Diglet or Dugtrio.
but also given the fluff of the nature of Chaos; perhaps they witnessed for themselves what happened IF ARCHAON WON. AND THEY SIMPLY CEASE TO EXIST ONLY FOR SIGMAR TO APPEAR AND GIVE LIFE TO EVERYTHING WITH HIS BIG BANG FART.


This will take things into a complicated role in that realizing they could not "Rebirth" the world after consuming it; Chaos nevertheless realize they will have an eternal war with the side of Order and thus intend to reshape the Old world in such a way that Cities and civilizations are forever repeating the cycle of kill; death; rebirth; corrupt; rebirth; and etc. and that is in itself its main end goal so they will remain but find amusement in seeing the infinite ways to torture and play out their reason for existence...

But given that is the Chaos End goal; the others will.. Primarily Malekith if he isnt a big r-tard will find a way to try and prevent Chaos thinking of the "End Times" Event is still theri Ultimate Goal.

I mean lets face it; beneath all his ego and really really bad personality; Im sure even Malekith dont want to reborn as a furry/scaly hybrid named Malerion.

[Jakal, Lady kisser]

Originally posted by Sigmar's Faithful:

The Empire Army book's description of the selective breed program is as thus:

"Elector Counts prize Imperial Griffons above all other mounts, and years of selective breeding have produced noble beasts that are notably stronger and larger than their wild counterparts. Brave Empire adventureres seek out Griffon nests and steal their chicks to raise in capitivity, singling out the strongest, cleverest and most ferocious for their lords."

I don't know where the writers got the part of breeding from, but at least they've got the word "selective" right. I was always under the impression that Griffons, Pegasus and Hippogryphs and such do not breed in captivity, like elephants.

they breed griffons (but not hippogriffs apparantly? i guess they're on the other side of the grey mountians) but they also bring in a lot of stock hatched from captured eggs, as they don't have enough to avoid inbreeding otherwise. pegesi don't breed in captivity, but then they're also approaching human intellect, and they probably don't want their children raised as slaves.

either way, i don't follow wood elf stuff, i'd like to read that story to see how accurate it is...8th is known to be a bit shoddy on accuracy. moreso when the elves are involved.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Originally posted by Jakal carrying a pumpkin:

Originally posted by Sigmar's Faithful:

The Empire Army book's description of the selective breed program is as thus:

"Elector Counts prize Imperial Griffons above all other mounts, and years of selective breeding have produced noble beasts that are notably stronger and larger than their wild counterparts. Brave Empire adventureres seek out Griffon nests and steal their chicks to raise in capitivity, singling out the strongest, cleverest and most ferocious for their lords."

I don't know where the writers got the part of breeding from, but at least they've got the word "selective" right. I was always under the impression that Griffons, Pegasus and Hippogryphs and such do not breed in captivity, like elephants.

they breed griffons (but not hippogriffs apparantly? i guess they're on the other side of the grey mountians) but they also bring in a lot of stock hatched from captured eggs, as they don't have enough to avoid inbreeding otherwise. pegesi don't breed in captivity, but then they're also approaching human intellect, and they probably don't want their children raised as slaves.

either way, i don't follow wood elf stuff, i'd like to read that story to see how accurate it is...8th is known to be a bit shoddy on accuracy. moreso when the elves are involved.

The eighth is pretty faithful and expands the Wood Elves by a lot. The only part I take issue with is that the true origins of the Wood Elves are in the War of Chaos instead of the War of the Beard. The Wood Elves didn't go into Athel Loren because they were rebels and deserters that got tired of Ulthuan's politics and wanted to live closer to how their ancestors did before Aenarion, but that the Everqueen Astarielle basically traded a portion of the Elves, her own people, for the safety of her own children with Druthu.

[gachi is manly]

Originally posted by Jakal carrying a pumpkin:

Originally posted by Sigmar's Faithful:

The Empire Army book's description of the selective breed program is as thus:

"Elector Counts prize Imperial Griffons above all other mounts, and years of selective breeding have produced noble beasts that are notably stronger and larger than their wild counterparts. Brave Empire adventureres seek out Griffon nests and steal their chicks to raise in capitivity, singling out the strongest, cleverest and most ferocious for their lords."

I don't know where the writers got the part of breeding from, but at least they've got the word "selective" right. I was always under the impression that Griffons, Pegasus and Hippogryphs and such do not breed in captivity, like elephants.

they breed griffons (but not hippogriffs apparantly? i guess they're on the other side of the grey mountians) but they also bring in a lot of stock hatched from captured eggs, as they don't have enough to avoid inbreeding otherwise. pegesi don't breed in captivity, but then they're also approaching human intellect, and they probably don't want their children raised as slaves.

either way, i don't follow wood elf stuff, i'd like to read that story to see how accurate it is...8th is known to be a bit shoddy on accuracy. moreso when the elves are involved.

Not much to it, really. Wood Elves repel a Beastmen invasion of Minotaur on Athel Loren and send it straight onto the Empire's doorstep. Karl Franz is desperate for allies, and does something no Emperor of the Empire ever did before: enter Athel Loren for help.

Wood Elves decide his cause is just and he's selflessly acting for his people, so they decide to help him. Orion leads the Wild Hunt out to the Empire's rescue. During the battle Orion has to save Karl after his horse gets killed. Orion kills the Doombull causing the uprising and things are good again.

A month later an emissary from Athel Loren arrives at Altdorf. He gives no name, but delivers a gift and a message. The gift is a griffon egg from the highest peak of the Grey Mountains. The message was: "We will be watching."

[Sigmar's Faithful]

Originally posted by Lieutenant Dan:

The eighth is pretty faithful and expands the Wood Elves by a lot. The only part I take issue with is that the true origins of the Wood Elves are in the War of Chaos instead of the War of the Beard. The Wood Elves didn't go into Athel Loren because they were rebels and deserters that got tired of Ulthuan's politics and wanted to live closer to how their ancestors did before Aenarion, but that the Everqueen Astarielle basically traded a portion of the Elves, her own people, for the safety of her own children with Druthu.

It's just another take on the War of the Beards, as the while those that would become the Wood Elves were a result of the Everqueen's pact with Durthu, these elves only settled on the outskirts of Athel Loren (which is in line with 6th). When Ulthuan called they did declare their independence. Only after defeating the dwarf thong that attacked Athel Loren did they move into the forests. So it's still in line with 6E.

[Cyprinodon]

Originally posted by Daryl:

Originally posted by Dracon:

If you would rehash whole AoS and make decent story out of it you would become legend.

Instead of Sigmar floating in space and farting everyone back in existence?

hmmm...
Could make it there is a fluff where during the End times; something could've happened from the ploy of other races to try and stop the End Times
where time reversed some 10 years from the End of the World.
and the one who witnessed it all would be one of the few people whom had remained alive during the last second of the event; Perhaps The Eternity King
which is overly complicated given Malekith's nature as he would likely keep it all to himself.
This will give time for the final battle to take a different route
and reseat Slaanesh upon his throne where he can eternally play with his Diglet or Dugtrio.
but also given the fluff of the nature of Chaos; perhaps they witnessed for themselves what happened IF ARCHAON WON. AND THEY SIMPLY CEASE TO EXIST ONLY FOR SIGMAR TO APPEAR AND GIVE LIFE TO EVERYTHING WITH HIS BIG BANG FART.


This will take things into a complicated role in that realizing they could not "Rebirth" the world after consuming it; Chaos nevertheless realize they will have an eternal war with the side of Order and thus intend to reshape the Old world in such a way that Cities and civilizations are forever repeating the cycle of kill; death; rebirth; corrupt; rebirth; and etc. and that is in itself its main end goal so they will remain but find amusement in seeing the infinite ways to torture and play out their reason for existence...

But given that is the Chaos End goal; the others will.. Primarily Malekith if he isnt a big r-tard will find a way to try and prevent Chaos thinking of the "End Times" Event is still theri Ultimate Goal.

I mean lets face it; beneath all his ego and really really bad personality; Im sure even Malekith dont want to reborn as a furry/scaly hybrid named Malerion.

when i first heard of AoS, I was excited. totally thought it was going to be WHFB but during the time that sigmar was alive. like how we are getting the great crusade and horus heresy for 40k.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Originally posted by Sigmar's Faithful:

It's another take on the War of the Beards, as the while those that would become the Wood Elves were a result of the Everqueen's pact with Durthu, these elves only settled on the outskirts of Athel Loren. When Ulthuan called they did declare their independence. Only after defeating the dwarf thong that attacked Athel Loren did they move into the forests.

True, but it's still weird to me that the Wood Elves exist because someone, this someone basically being Ariel 1.0, made a deal with a spirit to save her kids, and not because of something like the Exodites in 40k where a large minority of Elves wanted to get away from all the political BS, intrigue, and war. Maybe I'm just overthinking it.

[Cyprinodon]

i really like how to get the whole story you kinda need to read all the codices and stuff and read between the lines since each one is from a different races perspective. except for the human/imperial parts in each one.

[Cyprinodon]

how do you guys think the world root system will work? like the underway but limited to appearing in a forest? and will WE be able to move through forst that blocks other forces?

[Sigmar's Faithful]

Originally posted by Cyprinodon:

how do you guys think the world root system will work? like the underway but limited to appearing in a forest? and will WE be able to move through forst that blocks other forces?

Did we get a confirmation that world roots are being implemented? I've only heard about the amber system.

[Cyprinodon]

Originally posted by Sigmar's Faithful:

Originally posted by Cyprinodon:

how do you guys think the world root system will work? like the underway but limited to appearing in a forest? and will WE be able to move through forst that blocks other forces?

Did we get a confirmation that world roots are being implemented? I've only heard about the amber system.

They ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ better be! Kinda central to the race lore.

[[L9] Rhinopotamus]

Originally posted by Cyprinodon:

Originally posted by Sigmar's Faithful:

Did we get a confirmation that world roots are being implemented? I've only heard about the amber system.

They ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ better be! Kinda central to the race lore.

Nothing on the DLC page mentions it... If we do get it I'd imagine it would be something similar to teleport that would require a building be built for it in one your Asrai Lookouts.

[Cyprinodon]

Originally posted by Rhinopotamus:

Originally posted by Cyprinodon:

They ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ better be! Kinda central to the race lore.

Nothing on the DLC page mentions it... If we do get it I'd imagine it would be something similar to teleport that would require a building be built for it in one your Asrai Lookouts.

Either that or just a faction ability

[Cyprinodon]

Just started a new empire campaign and noticed something funny in the intro where it shows that old guy finding karl dead dad. There are very few orc corpses there. Those guys got owned. Hard. Like prison style, dry, no reach around. I saw three dead orcs. THREE!!

[Sigmar's Faithful]

Originally posted by Cyprinodon:

Just started a new empire campaign and noticed something funny in the intro where it shows that old guy finding karl dead dad. There are very few orc corpses there. Those guys got owned. Hard. Like prison style, dry, no reach around. I saw three dead orcs. THREE!!

And a destroyed Steam Tank...