Ask me lore questions

[Reverend Belial]

Alright, I guess it's about time that I updated this description.

This is a place for newcomers to the lore, or veterans looking to fact-check, to come and ask questions about the lore of Warhammer Fantasy.

FAQ:
Q: Is 40k and Fantasy the same universe?
A: No. 40k discussions go in this thread. http://steamcommunity.com/app/364360/discussions/0/333656722976215057/

Q: What is the End Times and why did it happen?
A: The End Times is the destruction of the Warhammer Fantasy setting, both in and out of universe. Chaos won the final confrontation and destroyed the world, beginning a new cycle and franchise. Out-of-universe this was done because Fantasy's models were costing Games Workshop more money than they were making them so they decided to scrap the setting entirely and reboot it as an 80's power metal album cover.

Disclaimers/Guidelines (I know that we're not supposed to back-seat moderate but sometimes it's necessary to keep things organized):
1. The most important thing; I AM NOT ALWAYS RIGHT. Do not take what I say as the gospel truth, I can forget and I can misread things just like everybody else. My knowledge of the Elves is also pretty shady. There are several regulars around who tend to fill in blanks or correct me if I'm wrong though, so you'll probably get your answer regardless.

2. Repeat questions are ok, so long as the question hasn't been asked on the same page or the one before it. I don't expect anybody to sift through 3000+ posts, but a light skim of the previous page won't kill anybody.

3. GW is extremely vague on many things, so sometimes there just simply isn't an answer to your question. They're also prone to retcons so sometimes what you think is the answer is no longer valid.

4. Try to avoid arguments. I know that sometimes they're unavoidable, but please don't deliberately antagonize anybody. Pretty basic.

5. Sit back, read, and enjoy.

6. No questions about CA's design decisions, or attempts to explain them. It's pointless, and just starts arguments and existential despair.

7. No using the word "strawman". It's a personal thing, it just grates on me.

8. No continuing the "Skaven don't exist" meme outside the context of the lore. I know it's fun sometimes, but it's old, tired, and just wants to rest. Plus it grates on other people.

[chef]

What other factions you think would be likely for the possible "Ogre kingdom/tomb king" area exspansion?

[Reverend Belial]

Originally posted by chef:

What other factions you think would be likely for the possible "Ogre kingdom/tomb king" area exspansion?

That's been bugging me for a while, and I don't have many answers. Chaos is pretty likely, since I feel that it's pretty much guaranteed that there will be a proper and complete Chaos faction included (since the current WoC horde is pretty clearly just there to tide Chaos fanatics over until the Wastes get expanded upon) as the Chaos Wastes border the Mountains of Mourn. Other than that though I have no idea unless they decide to include minor factions (Chaos Dwarfs and/or Araby) or subfactions (the various Greenskin tribes, Dwarf holds, Skaven clans, etc that live in the region).

[chef]

Chaos dwarves,skaven,ogre kingdoms,tomb kings and maybe beastmean? That actually might make a good starting roster.

And as far as the new world side of things is it really just High/dark elves and lizardmen? Seems like that side might be even more limited but my knowledge is not that strong.

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Reverend Belial:

Originally posted by chef:

What other factions you think would be likely for the possible "Ogre kingdom/tomb king" area exspansion?

That's been bugging me for a while, and I don't have many answers. Chaos is pretty likely, since I feel that it's pretty much guaranteed that there will be a proper and complete Chaos faction included (since the current WoC horde is pretty clearly just there to tide Chaos fanatics over until the Wastes get expanded upon) as the Chaos Wastes border the Mountains of Mourn. Other than that though I have no idea unless they decide to include minor factions (Chaos Dwarfs and/or Araby) or subfactions (the various Greenskin tribes, Dwarf holds, Skaven clans, etc that live in the region).

Why would Chaos Dwarfs be a minor faction?

[Manchine]

Originally posted by chef:

What other factions you think would be likely for the possible "Ogre kingdom/tomb king" area exspansion?

To answer the question that whole area of the Dark Land (Mountains of Mourn to World Edge Mountains) has Chaos Dwarfs, Dwarfs, Ogres, Skaven, Tomb Kings, Orcs and Goblins, Chaos, and High Elves. Which is the reason why it will proble be the 3rd game when this comes out.

[HAF DoomsDay]

How hard is it going to be to finish the Skaven Campaign? From what I understood they want to control the entire surface.

[Reverend Belial]

Originally posted by chef:

Chaos dwarves,skaven,ogre kingdoms,tomb kings and maybe beastmean? That actually might make a good starting roster.

And as far as the new world side of things is it really just High/dark elves and lizardmen? Seems like that side might be even more limited but my knowledge is not that strong.

Beastmen will almost certainly be a DLC for the first game. All (or most) of the important Beastman characters and herds live in and around the Empire or Athel Loren. There's also talk that Skaven might be in the first game (as one of the random events indirectly references them, and several of the LL speeches mention them specifically).

As for the New World the major players are the High Elves, Dark Elves, Lizardmen, and the Skaven Clan Pestilens. Minor players are Amazons, Tilean and Estalian colonists, and the undead of the Vampire Coast.

Originally posted by Manchine:

Why would Chaos Dwarfs be a minor faction?

Because they've been sidelined since like 2nd edition, the most recent army book they got was from an entirely different version of the tabletop game (Warmaster), and because they rarely interact with the major factions except through trade or as artillery crews for Chaos invasions.

[Reverend Belial]

Originally posted by HAF DoomsDay:

How hard is it going to be to finish the Skaven Campaign? From what I understood they want to control the entire surface.

Speaking from a lore perspective they want to overrun the entire world (they already own the vast majority of the underground), and their biggest obsctacle honestly is each other. Treachery is a Skaven racial trait, and it literally takes their god's physical presence in the material plane to get them to not devolve to just constantly backstabbing each other.

From a gameplay perspective it would depend largely on how they decide to implement them, and if they make an underground map. If they don't make an underground map then they'll probably be treated like a horde and just have to raze everybody (since they have no surface settlements (that I'm aware of anyway). If they DO make an underground map then they'll have to conquer the whole world twice to get a lore-friendly conclusion as they would start with only one city and have to both conquer (or raze) the surface AND unite the Under Empire which spans the entire planet.

[Ensign]

TLDR: Is bretonnia's lady of the lake really (or could she be) a chaos god?

Im really getting into this lore thing. Unfortunatly not enough to want to dive in and google questions that would take me on hours and hours of reading. Ive been watching ArchWarhammer's videos and was learning of my favorite faction so far Bretonnia.

I thought all bretonnians were proud chivalrous people who worshiped "The Lady" who i thought was this goddess and divine being who matronly protects her people but ArchWarhammer is really giving me a different harsher look at it.
A faction of heartless nobels who squeeze the life out of thier subjects forcing them to give 9/10ths of thier crops, refuse to let the common man worship the lady while forcing them to worship someone else so no athiests allowed, and are so inbred they have horrible deformities becuase they are forbidden to take foreign men/women to marry both common man and noble alike.

The lady was said to take boys and girls, men and women and the women would be priesteses for the lady while the men are never heard from again. Thats pretty harsh stuff. I dont have anyreason to distrust everything ArchW is saying but could his theory that the lady is a chaos god and eats the men be a pretty good guess?

A goddess who with very few worshipers (becuase only nobles may worship her) still has extreamly powerful magical influence dispite the fact? Could Bretonnia just be some back water corrupt land that deserves to be wiped out for the sake of mankind? Its goddess corrupt and its people oppressed so harshly. Empire looks like a much better place to be as a human.

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Reverend Belial:

Originally posted by chef:

Chaos dwarves,skaven,ogre kingdoms,tomb kings and maybe beastmean? That actually might make a good starting roster.

And as far as the new world side of things is it really just High/dark elves and lizardmen? Seems like that side might be even more limited but my knowledge is not that strong.

Beastmen will almost certainly be a DLC for the first game. All (or most) of the important Beastman characters and herds live in and around the Empire or Athel Loren. There's also talk that Skaven might be in the first game (as one of the random events indirectly references them, and several of the LL speeches mention them specifically).

As for the New World the major players are the High Elves, Dark Elves, Lizardmen, and the Skaven Clan Pestilens. Minor players are Amazons, Tilean and Estalian colonists, and the undead of the Vampire Coast.

Originally posted by Manchine:

Why would Chaos Dwarfs be a minor faction?

Because they've been sidelined since like 2nd edition, the most recent army book they got was from an entirely different version of the tabletop game (Warmaster), and because they rarely interact with the major factions except through trade or as artillery crews for Chaos invasions.

I don't know where you're getting your info from but its really old. Chaos Dwarfs had a book in 4th. They also were in 8th edition. In 8th Edition they were the 3rd army produced in 2011. They were some of most expensive models because you could only buy them from Forge World (which is a subsidary of Games Workshop). They won the golden deamon in 2011.

[Reverend Belial]

Originally posted by Ensign:

Bretonnia question

The Lady of the Lake is actually the Elven goddes Lileath, who has manipulated Bretonnia into thinking she is their patron god in an attempt to find the best amongst them and elevate them into demi-gods so that they can become the new human pantheon when Chaos inevitably wins and the reality cycle resets. These people are the Grail Knights and Maidens of the Lady.

[Reverend Belial]

Originally posted by Manchine:

Manchine proving me wrong

Oh right, I forgot about the Forge World stuff. Still though, while Forge World does belong to GW and their stuff is official (Warmaster also fits those categories) it's still a side company and not part of the primary line of models and factions. That's why I count them as being minor factions. They're official, but only just.

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Reverend Belial:

Originally posted by Ensign:

Bretonnia question

The Lady of the Lake is actually the Elven goddes Lileath, who has manipulated Bretonnia into thinking she is their patron god in an attempt to find the best amongst them and elevate them into demi-gods so that they can become the new human pantheon when Chaos inevitably wins and the reality cycle resets. These people are the Grail Knights and Maidens of the Lady.

By the way everyone this is END TIMES info not 8th edition Warhammer Fantasy.

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Reverend Belial:

Originally posted by Manchine:

Manchine proving me wrong

Oh right, I forgot about the Forge World stuff. Still though, while Forge World does belong to GW and their stuff is official (Warmaster also fits those categories) it's still a side company and not part of the primary line of models and factions. That's why I count them as being minor factions. They're official, but only just.

Its more official then the Age of Sigmar crap.

[Reverend Belial]

Originally posted by Manchine:

Originally posted by Reverend Belial:

The Lady of the Lake is actually the Elven goddes Lileath, who has manipulated Bretonnia into thinking she is their patron god in an attempt to find the best amongst them and elevate them into demi-gods so that they can become the new human pantheon when Chaos inevitably wins and the reality cycle resets. These people are the Grail Knights and Maidens of the Lady.

By the way everyone this is END TIMES info not 8th edition Warhammer Fantasy.

Correct, yes (although apparently they've been hinting or outright stating that the Lady is actually an Elven goddess disguising herself).

Originally posted by Ensign:

The lady was said to take boys and girls, men and women and the women would be priesteses for the lady while the men are never heard from again. Thats pretty harsh stuff. I dont have anyreason to distrust everything ArchW is saying but could his theory that the lady is a chaos god and eats the men be a pretty good guess?

I also missed the sub-question in this segment. The reason that many men are never seen or heard from again is because before becoming a Grail Knight they have to pass a trial (known as a Quest). This trial is not only inherently dangerous as it often involves battling some of the deadliest creatures in the Old World, but because the actual process to turn people into Grail Knights isn't guaranteed to succeed and some people are incompatible with the change and instead just simply die.