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Jade Griffon & Amber Wizard
Is it just me or the Jade Griffon is just a reskin to the same mount Karl Franz flying on, maybe with just less armour on it...?
Am i right or am i totally missing something ??
If im indeed right, oh the disappointment...
Last edited by Lord Commander Dante; Jul 27, 2016 @ 11:04pm
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Originally posted by Renown:
Originally posted by OneWingedDevil:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa462/thetinman1/Picture053.jpg
This is a Transformation of Kadon. Does it look like the Manticore from the game to you?
Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ blind ?

Listen dude, these guys think dogs look identical... I used to breed border collies and that's such an absurd statement. Even their 'skin' looks wildly different within a litter.

This is what you get on steam forums, either people a) wildly hating for no reason, b) wildly defending things for no reason, and then finally c) the few people using reason and logic despite all odds.
You know, i was against all the bs that came from CA recently - Pre-Purchase Chaos Faction, Gore & Blood DLC and now this overpriced 20 dollars expansion.
But it's cool, i didn't ♥♥♥♥♥ about it, i wasnt happy sure - but i still bought all of the content CA threw at me.
Is it too much to ask to make an extra effort and create something original and good looking? It It seems like people actually fine with mediocrity, but that's not enough, they go as far as defending and making excuses to why this is o.k.
What a bunch of clowns man.
Originally posted by OneWingedDevil:
Originally posted by Shadow88:
Well how much diversity can there be? Take two reptiles of the same species and, odds are, they're going to look identical. Take two dogs of the same breed and they'll probably look identical as well (and what differences they do have would be too minute to be worth modelling on this game's scale).
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa462/thetinman1/Picture053.jpg
This is a Transformation of Kadon. Does it look like the Manticore from the game to you?
Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ blind ?
Okay, I'll admit I was wrong about the animal analogy, my bad. However, that picture is not "Transformation of Kadon", that is a picture of a Mountain Chimera which is one of the options available when overcasting Transformation of Kadon in the tabletop game.

Without overcasting, the spell lets the caster transform into one of three things - a Feral Manticore, a Black Hydra or a Horned Dragon. When overcasting, they can become either a Mountain Chimera (of which you provided an image) or a Great Fire Dragon.

Of those five creatures, only one already exists in TWW and is the one currently restricted for the spell. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, however, there is nothing stopping them from introducing the other creatures somehow down the road. I expect that they only used the Feral Manticore option because it was the only one already in the game and they didn't want to go through all the work of designing a model for the others until it could be used elsewhere in the game (even though it's an established IP, Creative Assembly would still need to go through the full design process - from concept art to final model - for any of those creatures, the Manticore's already been through all of that so they just had to remove the rider).

I half-expect that once we get a faction that can field Hydras or Dragons, we'll be getting those creatures in. I'm not certain of that, but it would make sense to save such creatures for when they can be used in the game for more than a single spell.
Shandor Jul 28, 2016 @ 4:24am 
Originally posted by WarlordOfRome:
Originally posted by OneWingedDevil:
You are getting a unit that is already inside the game for free, yes - thats amazing
Apologies that the Jade Griffon is a griffon of jade color instead of a whale with a jetpack.

The only thing here to ♥♥♥♥♥ about is that the Transformation of Kadon only has the manticore. Though even that is understandable.

I like your answer.
A6M Zero Jul 28, 2016 @ 4:27am 
Originally posted by Shandor:
Originally posted by WarlordOfRome:
Apologies that the Jade Griffon is a griffon of jade color instead of a whale with a jetpack.

The only thing here to ♥♥♥♥♥ about is that the Transformation of Kadon only has the manticore. Though even that is understandable.

I like your answer.

Agreed. But now I want the next unit DLC to be aerial orca mounts for my wizards.
LeftClickHero Jul 28, 2016 @ 4:39am 
Originally posted by OneWingedDevil:
Originally posted by WarlordOfRome:
It's like saying a white horse in a game is a reskin of a brown horse. A griffon is a griffon.

Transformation of Karin is a mixed bag. The main issue is that it works as a summing spell instead of a transformation and has only the manticore as the sole option.

Though we should keep in mind we're getting this for free.
You are getting a unit that is already inside the game for free, yes - thats amazing

correction

you are getting a new modeled wizard for the empire, with a new lore of magic so far only used by him and the beastmen, who also gets a reskinned griffon, and his signature spell is to summon a unit that is otherwise not available for you to recruit, and top of this you can keep summoning once every battle for free. and you get all this for free.


question why only just disspointed with this? it is THE MOST common practice in the media industry to reuse props and assets where and when possible to save money. I can understand your complaint if you was to spend £5 for the guy but are getting this for free. did you expect a completely new mount or did you just want the guy to have the exact same mount option as his other fellow wizards

fair to people a griffon is a griffon, sure they will look different skin and fur wise, but it will still have wings, a beak, claws, tail and what ever else a griffon may have. you got a nice retextured animal, along with what else i mentioned at the top.
Dana Zanerman Jul 28, 2016 @ 4:44am 
We were talking about Warhammer,where did the dog anology came from ? D:

Anyways,Warhammer Griffons are literally reskins of each other,except for a few specials.
Like having 2 heads and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

What did you expect them to add with the Amber wizard ?

Also,considering we only have the Manticore available in the game currently,the transformation of Kadon was not exactly surprising.I'm sure the current content will be expanded on the future that makes them similiar to TT.
LeftClickHero Jul 28, 2016 @ 5:43am 
Originally posted by OneWingedDevil:
This is what i wanted:
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120202030_AmberWizardonGriffonNEW01.jpg
But i guess im stuck with ugly reskin instead.

okay okay, listen come close, come close. even if they did have a griffon with a extra head which will mostly be a cosemtic thing, it will still have a ungly reskin. okay good glad we got that out the way
Originally posted by PlatinumClient:
Originally posted by OneWingedDevil:
This is what i wanted:
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120202030_AmberWizardonGriffonNEW01.jpg
But i guess im stuck with ugly reskin instead.

okay okay, listen come close, come close. even if they did have a griffon with a extra head which will mostly be a cosemtic thing, it will still have a ungly reskin. okay good glad we got that out the way
Your post make zero sense.
A second head for a griffon was a separate upgrade for them in the tabletop game - not all Jade Griffons had two heads nor are all two-headed griffons Jade ones. Hell; strictly-speaking, Jade Griffons do not exist at all in the Empire's 8th Edition army book. The one in the pic you linked was just an Imperial Griffon with the Two Heads upgrade that the owner decided to paint with green plumage.

Were such a mount to be added to the game, it would be a separate mount from the normal Imperial Griffon and only available to Empire Generals and the as-yet-unimplemented Battle Wizard Lords (think a lord version of the normal Empire wizards).
Originally posted by Shadow88:
A second head for a griffon was a separate upgrade for them in the tabletop game - not all Jade Griffons had two heads nor are all two-headed griffons Jade ones. Hell; strictly-speaking, Jade Griffons do not exist at all in the Empire's 8th Edition army book. The one in the pic you linked was just an Imperial Griffon with the Two Heads upgrade that the owner decided to paint with green plumage.

Were such a mount to be added to the game, it would be a separate mount from the normal Imperial Griffon and only available to Empire Generals and the as-yet-unimplemented Battle Wizard Lords (think a lord version of the normal Empire wizards).
I WANT DIVERSITY! IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!
fml
Dana Zanerman Jul 28, 2016 @ 6:16am 
Originally posted by OneWingedDevil:
Originally posted by Shadow88:
A second head for a griffon was a separate upgrade for them in the tabletop game - not all Jade Griffons had two heads nor are all two-headed griffons Jade ones. Hell; strictly-speaking, Jade Griffons do not exist at all in the Empire's 8th Edition army book. The one in the pic you linked was just an Imperial Griffon with the Two Heads upgrade that the owner decided to paint with green plumage.

Were such a mount to be added to the game, it would be a separate mount from the normal Imperial Griffon and only available to Empire Generals and the as-yet-unimplemented Battle Wizard Lords (think a lord version of the normal Empire wizards).
I WANT DIVERSITY! IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!
fml
Wanting it does not equals they will add it though
Reverend Belial Jul 28, 2016 @ 6:48am 
I'll be honest I am a little disappointed that they didn't give the Jade Griffon two heads, but it's far from the end of the world. Two headed Griffons are EXCEEDINGLY rare and are not even close to being the standard for Jade Griffons. Could they have done better? Sure. Is it just a lazy nonsensical cop-out that they made it a Griffon with different feather colors and (I think) different head-tufts? Not even slightly.

The focus feature is the completely uniquely modelled Amber Wizard, not his choice of mount. The mount is extra, and by no means needs to be something totally new.
Originally posted by OneWingedDevil:
Originally posted by Shadow88:
A second head for a griffon was a separate upgrade for them in the tabletop game - not all Jade Griffons had two heads nor are all two-headed griffons Jade ones. Hell; strictly-speaking, Jade Griffons do not exist at all in the Empire's 8th Edition army book. The one in the pic you linked was just an Imperial Griffon with the Two Heads upgrade that the owner decided to paint with green plumage.

Were such a mount to be added to the game, it would be a separate mount from the normal Imperial Griffon and only available to Empire Generals and the as-yet-unimplemented Battle Wizard Lords (think a lord version of the normal Empire wizards).
I WANT DIVERSITY! IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!
fml
And you won't be getting much diversity beyond changes in plumage and armour. It's the easiest way to add some variety and I doubt they're going to go beyond that if they don't have to. Two headed griffons, if they ever get implemented, are going to be a separate mount option again from a normal griffon. Probably cost a bit more and have a bit higher weapon strength or the like.

TW is far from the only franchise to do reskinning like this, it's a common industry method and it gets the job done. I certainly wasn't expecting the Jade Griffon to be anything more than a reskin when I first heard about it simply because we already have two Griffons in the base game who are reskins of each other - the Griffon for the generic General of the Empire and Deathclaw, Karl Franz's personal Griffon.
Renown Jul 31, 2016 @ 3:45am 
Originally posted by Shadow88:
Originally posted by OneWingedDevil:
I WANT DIVERSITY! IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!
fml
And you won't be getting much diversity beyond changes in plumage and armour. It's the easiest way to add some variety and I doubt they're going to go beyond that if they don't have to. Two headed griffons, if they ever get implemented, are going to be a separate mount option again from a normal griffon. Probably cost a bit more and have a bit higher weapon strength or the like.

TW is far from the only franchise to do reskinning like this, it's a common industry method and it gets the job done. I certainly wasn't expecting the Jade Griffon to be anything more than a reskin when I first heard about it simply because we already have two Griffons in the base game who are reskins of each other - the Griffon for the generic General of the Empire and Deathclaw, Karl Franz's personal Griffon.


Still a whole bunch of people defending artistic decisions with no experience in game development. lol. If only you guys actually knew how much work went into game development, it would stop half your comments on games from the beginning... and then it would put you into 5x as much fury as now to learn when you are in fact getting less then 5 hours of work for 20$. - That's a little inaccurate actually considering the NEW campaign... which honestly is the most time consuming development portion of this update... which should upset anyone who wanted MORE in the grand campaign instead of a small-ass wretched mini-campaign.
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