Subjugating

[Malessar]

Hello. I've won the chaos campaign, and it was fun, but I realized all my norsca tribes started killing each other at some point (talk about Archaeon inspiring authorithy, doh).
I read that if you subjugate the tribes, they won't fight one another. How do you do that, though? Do you need to crush them, and the last settlement allows you to subjugate, or is it only through diplomacy, and you still need to crush them in order for them to accept?
I just know crushing is involved :D

[Space]

Subjugating people has never done anything other than get me fk'd in the arse.

I Subjugate X
I declare war on Y.
X refuses to enter war on Y.
X declares war on ME.

I'm like wtf, you can't do that. Turns out they can. And they will. Not really an issue with Chaos, i'll admit.

To answer your question though, you subjugate by taking control of their last settlement, if you can occupy, you can subjugate instead. I've never really bothered to do it though.

Diplomacy = Vassel.
Subjugate = taking control of factions last settlement

[Sandman]

Yeah I don't subjugate very much because they just come back and declare war.

The problem is the base aversion.

[Giant Space Hamster]

Subjugation provides no value that I can find. It's only presented as an option when you're about to capture their last city, AFTER the battle, and thus there is really no incentive vs just taking over the city.

[Space]

Originally posted by Sandman:

Yeah I don't subjugate very much because they just come back and declare war.

The problem is the base aversion.

Base legendary Aversion -15 + great power penalties + trespassing = GG you might as well be playing as VC, nobody likes you. Only way you get to trade is if you're meant to, So Dwarves, occasionally Empire OR after 50 turns of slaughtering chaos stacks solo to the point where people think you're basically god.

Fun stuff.

[Steeltrap]

Easiest way to do it is to attack it immediately after awakening it.
Stops them starting stupid wars between each other and guarantees you'll be able to issue war coordination targets to all of them which you can't do with awakened tribes if they're not at war with your intended target.

[Brother Frank]

Interestingly enough the only time I could trade with Kislev at the start of the game as the Empire was on my legendary campaign.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by 100% voting for Trump:

subjugated factions cant declare war so its impossible for your subjugated factions to declare war on each other. It's not wise to subjugate more than 1 faction and its very easy to keep a faction subjugated until late game. Don't ransom captives and keep an eye on their happiness meter toward you. In my legendary dwarves play through i only held 3 of the badlands provinces and karak..purple xD held everything else and i kept them until round 500, Empire i kept mariunburg until turn 400, and on vamps i kept templehoff until 400.

As long as ur at war they are usually happy, late game after archaon if they ever break the trade agreement with you throw money at them until they are happy and get it back, and repeat once they break it again. When i eventaully kill off my subjugated factions its about a 15k-20k drop in income, so if u give them a capital and room to expand they are pretty useful

Are you vassalizing them through diplomacy or subjugating them when they have 1 city left?