Warhammer Dwarfs or Warcraft Dwarves/Gnomes?

[Khsar]

(note, the spelling is different as Warcraft uses "Dwarves" for plural, where as Warhammer its "Dwarfs" for plural)

I see a lot of threads for other races (mostly Greenskins and Warcraft Orcs) and a joke one about Von Carstein vs Cullen the Sparkly Faerie.

But I always wondered. Even before Warhammer Total War. Who would win in a fight? With no one else involved, with the exception Gnomes would join Warcraft Dwarves because they are such staunch allies that they are pretty much one, and they even live together in the same mountain/city and same region as well.

The way I see it, they are pretty similar. I personally don't even know how the matchup would go, but I imagine the Gnomes could change things for the Warcraft Dwarves. The downside, Gnomes often blow themselves up just as much as Goblins do in Warcraft So I'm not sure they'd actually make the best allies to begin with, since they are just as likely to kill their own side as the enemies side or just end up killing their own selves.

The dwarves/dwarfs themselves are both so similar from what I know of Warhammer Dwarfs. Most of what I know comes from this total war so I can't say too much (I know more about the 40k universe than the fantasy one). The ones in Warcraft have gyrocopters, like the Warhammer ones. They both tend to be heavy armored and also have good ranged. Except the Dwarves in Warcraft also make extensive use of magic, even "dark" magic (Dwarf Warlocks as an example), and the ones in Warhammer don't make use of magic at all.

What do you guys think of the matchup between the two? (well sorta three with the Gnomes I suppose)

[Solvem Probler]

These threads are starting to get old.

[Khsar]

Must be why you took the time to respond. :)

[Banestaff]

The magic that the Warcraft dwarves can use would likely be nullified by Runelords from Warhammer Fantasy Battles (hereafter summarized WFB). The WFB dwarves have the advantage of rune-engraved magical items. My guess is technologically the Warcraft dwarves would have the advantage. But the WFB dwarves have the Anvils of Doom, great heroes, and the power of Grungni, Grimnir, and Valaya.

Unfortunately they'd have a big disadvantage because Games Workshop never updates their units or army book, so...

[Pretty Woman]

Dwarfs wins pretty easily. Even a single dwarf slayer can kill a bloodthirster, imagine that, a bloodthirster. A bloodthirster is the equivalent of a Balrog. Also, Dwarfs uses magic, rune magic, if a dwarven warlock fights with a dwarf equipped with a runic armor and runic weapon, then he can easily defeat that warlock. Also, there are chaos dwarfs, their cousins who are far more dangerous, both technologically and magically.

[SpaceGoatMage]

Chaos Dwarfs best dwarfs.

[Jakal, Lady kisser]

Dwarfs have to deal with the fact that warhammer's writing tends to job them a lot but blizzard's writing will make sure the dwarves suffer a lot more to add pathos to the next stupid expansion story and that'll happen MUCH faster, so i have to give this to the dawi.

[Arii]

Chaos Dwarfs would win because hats.

[Planewalker]

The level of necromancy in this thread is too damn high!

Also, this trangression of a thread has been noted in the Dawi book of grudges!

[stcrispin]

Rhetorical. Like asking who would win a race between Superman and Flash or wether an unstoppable force can move an immovable object.

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Like a fart in the wind

[Eviloon]

Lich-necromancer here! Warcraft dwarves own this, for sure. Though PROBABLY they lack in numbers their technology is far beyond Warhammer Dwarfish reaches. The fact that you gave the Dwarves the Gnomes as allies decided the outcome in favor of the Dwarves. While the Dwarfs bring armor, axes, runes, gunpowder weaponry, helicopters, and a couple of flying ships to the battlefield, the Gnomes and Dwarves bring armor, axes, runes, gunpowder weaponry, helicopters, airplanes, fighters, space rockets, battle air fortresses, battle robots, battle golems, missile launchers, laser weaponry, tesla cannons, demonic magic, the power of the Elements, the power of the Light, paladins, portable teleporters, stable radio communication for every soldier, submarines (in huge numbers), motorcycles, steam tanks, artillery units, undead, breech-loading firearms as standard equipment, and much, much more. And that’s without even considering the Dark Iron Dwarves, who may have even more deadly weaponry, fire elementals and demons, drilling machines, four-meter-long fiery hound-moles, and security golems.

For the most part, the Warhammer Dwarfs simply won’t be able to defend properly against air attacks, because besides helicopters the Warcraft Dwarves also have gryphon riders wielding hammers that throw lightning, and, on top of that, they have CAVALRY. Warcraft Dwarves are basically Dwarfs on steroids.

If you remove the Gnomes from the equation, the battle becomes much more balanced—without the Gnomes, the Dwarves lose a significant portion of their engineering advantage, though they still retain magic, the power of the Elements, cavalry, gryphon riders, steam tanks, and other artillery. If you take the Dark Iron Dwarves and all other Dwarves as allies against the Warhammer Dwarfs, I’d say it becomes a much more even fight, since the Warhammer Dwarfs should theoretically have numerical superiority. However, even then, they lose in mobility and have fewer engineering contraptions. If the Gnomes join forces with the Dwarves, well, in that case, it’s the end for the Dwarfs.