Greenskins vs Warcraft Orcs/M.E Orcs/Orsimers

[Daryl]

Who do you think is stronger and deadlier in combat
if you face these armies off against eachother

[SnugglyPuffs]

BoogieMan の投稿を引用：

Icarus の投稿を引用：

So were just gunna act like the greenskins dont have there own tech and magic then? ok...

Not at all. It just seems inferior overall. I was listing strengths the horde seems to be generally better at. I thought it was pretty clear.

BoogieMan の投稿を引用：

You can't say who would win without a very specific and balanced scenario. Strickly speaking taking your average Greenskin Orc. vs WarCraft Orc ompared side by side, WarCraft Orcs look bigger and stronger. They are alsomore intelligent and inventive, and utlize advanced tactics and training. They are raised from birth to be warriors and have years to learn from their elders. Greenskins reproduce very rapidly and may be more durable, and probably more environmentally resilient, but individually seem to be on average lesser warriors.

Taking from Warhammer itself, it seems like the Greenskins while a world wide scourge and blight, has more or less been defeated or held in check by the other races of the Warhammer world which are less advanced and diverse than the WarCraft races, even excluding the Alliance and just thinking about The Horde.

Greenskin tactics do not advance, and their cultural and technological advancement seems generally stagnant.


If it's Greenskins as a whole, vs The Horde..

Sticking to general mortal and normal-ish members, the Horde is very diverse both in its members, their range of abilities/classes and are much more intelligent, especially Goblins, Forsaken, and Blood Elves. That's a big advantage right there.

Racial diversity:

Orcs (Powerful warriors that have diverse skills and extensive use of magic)
Tauren (Huge Minotaur like Bull Men, powerful warriors and Shaman, among other magics)
Trolls (Clever, regenerate and heal quickly, Druidic Magic and shapechanging)
Blood Elves (Highly intelligent, power magic users)
Forsaken (undead humans, tireless, no need for food or rest, excellent mages and Rogues)
Goblins (intelligent, war machines, explosives, siege equipment)
Pandaren (ugh)

Particular strengths:

Every Horde race is much more intelligent.
Military tactics, use of ambushes guerilla warfare, more adaptable in general.
Different armies and races using different tactics and weapons means it's more difficult to developer strategies to deal with them.
Mostly highly experienced veteran soldiers
Diverse magic. Many users to call upon.
More diverse army & specialists
Far less infighting. More focused on cooperation and coordination.
Aerial support
Tauren are way stronger and bigger than any Orc or Greenskin.
Trolls are more cunning and also heal rapidly.
Magically conjured food greatly reduces logistical strains
Portals
Healing Magic + some ability to raise the dead
Big area effect magic good for thinning large numbers
Demon, Undead, and other beastly pets.
Constant conflict means warfare is also a way of life for them, nothing new.
Technology, explosives

Overall all though, the magic in the WarCraft universe is very diverse and would seems to be a particularly useful advantage over the Greenskins, along with significant air superiority. That and their ability to actually build and maintain real cities and infrastructure, and form a cohesive civilization.

If the Forsaken were able to craft a plague that targeted their squigs, birthing mushrooms, or Greenskin Goblins their society would collapse entirely since Greenskin Orcs depend upon the Goblins for basically everything that isn't killing.

Also, the two settings while having some similarities are quite different. I imagine 90% of us will say X is better depending on which setting you're a bigger fan of. Most posts here seem to support that and just say Greenskins without and real data to support their belief.

So I guess I'm saying this thread, your posts, and my post, is all a big waste of time. It's like trying to discuss politics online.

Tauren are definitely not bigger and stronger than any Warhammer Orc.

They're not even bigger and stronger than all Warcraft Orcs, so you can't write off Big 'Uns, Black Orcs, Warbosses etc... Some Warhammer Orcs are quite mighty.

I would be inclined to agree with your points on Warcraft Horde superiority if the Orcs were old Horde, being an oldschool Warcraft fan, since Warcraft: Orcs and Humans... The old horde pre-Warcraft 3 would have been very comparible to Greenskins in savagry, individual strength, and morals but they would have taken losses a lot harder than the fungoid Orcs of Warhammer.

The "new horde", since Warcraft 3, is a retconned mess of emo misunderstood Native American wannabe humans in green bodies. I can't see the current Horde resisting a complete Waaagh! in a war to the bitter end. They would lose the war of attrition. Even with all of their newfound allies, the Horde is a very very pale shadow of what it was pre-retcon. They were once so numerous, so warlike, strong, brutal, and bloodlusted that they dominated the entire world of Draenor and made the Draenei extinct. Before the Draenei became the tentacle faced embarassments that they are today.

[[EL] The Emperor of Mankind]

This thread went WAAAAYYYY to far... so far that I can't even read it anymore... please people go find love, kiss a girl/boy, cure cancer, invent the next frozen coffee drink do something... anything... other then this... we can all be nerds on the internet... but this... this... this is... is... cancer... there is a line... you guys crossed it...

[[SIN7] jacojarek56]

SnugglyPuffs の投稿を引用：

BoogieMan の投稿を引用：

Not at all. It just seems inferior overall. I was listing strengths the horde seems to be generally better at. I thought it was pretty clear.

BoogieMan の投稿を引用：

You can't say who would win without a very specific and balanced scenario. Strickly speaking taking your average Greenskin Orc. vs WarCraft Orc ompared side by side, WarCraft Orcs look bigger and stronger. They are alsomore intelligent and inventive, and utlize advanced tactics and training. They are raised from birth to be warriors and have years to learn from their elders. Greenskins reproduce very rapidly and may be more durable, and probably more environmentally resilient, but individually seem to be on average lesser warriors.

Taking from Warhammer itself, it seems like the Greenskins while a world wide scourge and blight, has more or less been defeated or held in check by the other races of the Warhammer world which are less advanced and diverse than the WarCraft races, even excluding the Alliance and just thinking about The Horde.

Greenskin tactics do not advance, and their cultural and technological advancement seems generally stagnant.


If it's Greenskins as a whole, vs The Horde..

Sticking to general mortal and normal-ish members, the Horde is very diverse both in its members, their range of abilities/classes and are much more intelligent, especially Goblins, Forsaken, and Blood Elves. That's a big advantage right there.

Racial diversity:

Orcs (Powerful warriors that have diverse skills and extensive use of magic)
Tauren (Huge Minotaur like Bull Men, powerful warriors and Shaman, among other magics)
Trolls (Clever, regenerate and heal quickly, Druidic Magic and shapechanging)
Blood Elves (Highly intelligent, power magic users)
Forsaken (undead humans, tireless, no need for food or rest, excellent mages and Rogues)
Goblins (intelligent, war machines, explosives, siege equipment)
Pandaren (ugh)

Particular strengths:

Every Horde race is much more intelligent.
Military tactics, use of ambushes guerilla warfare, more adaptable in general.
Different armies and races using different tactics and weapons means it's more difficult to developer strategies to deal with them.
Mostly highly experienced veteran soldiers
Diverse magic. Many users to call upon.
More diverse army & specialists
Far less infighting. More focused on cooperation and coordination.
Aerial support
Tauren are way stronger and bigger than any Orc or Greenskin.
Trolls are more cunning and also heal rapidly.
Magically conjured food greatly reduces logistical strains
Portals
Healing Magic + some ability to raise the dead
Big area effect magic good for thinning large numbers
Demon, Undead, and other beastly pets.
Constant conflict means warfare is also a way of life for them, nothing new.
Technology, explosives

Overall all though, the magic in the WarCraft universe is very diverse and would seems to be a particularly useful advantage over the Greenskins, along with significant air superiority. That and their ability to actually build and maintain real cities and infrastructure, and form a cohesive civilization.

If the Forsaken were able to craft a plague that targeted their squigs, birthing mushrooms, or Greenskin Goblins their society would collapse entirely since Greenskin Orcs depend upon the Goblins for basically everything that isn't killing.

Also, the two settings while having some similarities are quite different. I imagine 90% of us will say X is better depending on which setting you're a bigger fan of. Most posts here seem to support that and just say Greenskins without and real data to support their belief.

So I guess I'm saying this thread, your posts, and my post, is all a big waste of time. It's like trying to discuss politics online.

Tauren are definitely not bigger and stronger than any Warhammer Orc.

They're not even bigger and stronger than all Warcraft Orcs, so you can't write off Big 'Uns, Black Orcs, Warbosses etc... Some Warhammer Orcs are quite mighty.

I would be inclined to agree with your points on Warcraft Horde superiority if the Orcs were old Horde, being an oldschool Warcraft fan, since Warcraft: Orcs and Humans... The old horde pre-Warcraft 3 would have been very comparible to Greenskins in savagry, individual strength, and morals but they would have taken losses a lot harder than the fungoid Orcs of Warhammer.

The "new horde", since Warcraft 3, is a retconned mess of emo misunderstood Native American wannabe humans in green bodies. I can't see the current Horde resisting a complete Waaagh! in a war to the bitter end. They would lose the war of attrition. Even with all of their newfound allies, the Horde is a very very pale shadow of what it was pre-retcon. They were once so numerous, so warlike, strong, brutal, and bloodlusted that they dominated the entire world of Draenor and made the Draenei extinct. Before the Draenei became the tentacle faced embarassments that they are today.

I agree with you. Warhammer is a vastly different setting; you want feels, go to Warcraft. You want legitimately terrifying wars of unspeakable threats to the very fabric of reality, go to Warhammer.

[Donkers Inc.]

EL The Emperor of Mankind の投稿を引用：

You dare speak as the Emperor! You heretic!

[Speed Shitter]

Sgt Teddybear59 の投稿を引用：

"Green is best:

Orkz is green, so dey is best.

WoW Orkz use' to be brown, so dey not as best

Oo'roo'kai is not green so they not best"

Oi? you fink greens da best? Wut about black orcz?

[Sultschiem]

Darth Gumby の投稿を引用：

Sultschiem の投稿を引用：

If Nurgle, the Vampire Counts, the Wood Elves-

STOP! Nurgle...and the Vampire Counts. The Chaos God of Life, ever working with creatures that make a mockery of life. And on top of that, Wood Elves? The same elves that will flay you alive for stepping on a flower in Athel Loren? Might as well say why doesn't the Lich King team up with Illidan, the Horde, and the Alliance to bring down the Burning Legion.

Sultschiem の投稿を引用：

As for their endless numbers....ehm...the forsaken could resurect them....no ?

Doubtful that would stop a WAAAGH! That certainly hasn't stopped Grimgor when the Vampire Counts tried to do the same to him. Every undead Orc just meant the fight was going to last longer. Which means the fun continues for just a bit longer.

1. I ment as a reference point to the Horde-factions. Woodelves = Experts on the whole nature and wood-stuff(Druids).....forsaken = masters of pestilences etc. AND resurection like vampire counts

It would be LIKE those forces of the warhammer world WOULD work together. Even if they wouldn't be AS strong, like the forsaken are propably not AS good in pestilence as Nurgle himself, but does that matter at this point when they could amplify each other?

And the horde DOES work VERY tightly together against such great foes like the burning legion.

Which is ALSO an endless horde of monsters and beasts.

Thus, the orcs in warcraft have been enhanced by different things from the other factions. The goblins showed the orc-engineers how to construct airships , guns, bombs etc., they didn't have that tech BEFORE the horde happened.

[Alex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2mUPDTurxY

[Speed Shitter]

*Strictly ork speaking*
Lotr versus WH = Warhammer (Equal intelligence, but WH much stronger)
WH versus WoW = Too close to call, it's literally brain (WoW) versus brawn (WH)

[the unknowable one]

warhammer, by far, the way of whaaaaag! man, basically psychic reality altering asshats who are SO stupid that if they think a rock can do magic, they beleive it so hard, that it has a chance of ACTUALLY happening. warcraft orcs are just pillage pillage pillage pillage. not much to them.

[the unknowable one]

@Sarge I kind of agree with that, but with how the way of whaaaag, works, its fair to say that they ARE brawny and intelligent, they just dont know exactly HOW they are intelligent, because well, like i mentioned above. they are so stupid that they have no real grasp on skeptisicim that keeps them from going "nope this cant happen" so when they think a rock shoots magic it does.

[Warnoise]

Why in every Warhammer Greenskins vsWarcraft Orcs thread there are some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who compare the WH40k orks to WC orcs...

[[L9] Rhinopotamus]

Daryl の投稿を引用：

Icarus の投稿を引用：

Male average is 7ft, standard orc would be about 6.

Black orcs and biguns are at or taller then warcraft orcs however.

but they are more ferocious and able to reproduce at a faster rate and in larger quantity
i mean 2 months till adulthood
thats something

No, Warcraft Orcs, are more combat durable, maybe not enviorment durable, but Warcraft Orcs have Bloodfury, and Warcraft Orcs are much more intelligent, and spend there entire lives training for war. Which makes them much more dangerous.

Darth Gumby の投稿を引用：

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Rhinopotamus の投稿を引用：

Looking at the movie and Game, Warcraft Orcs tower over Warhammer Orcs.

I don't see that. I see them as relatively the same heightwise. In warcraft, I see an orc grunt and a human footsoldier struggle to get a leg up on each other. In warhammer, an Orc boy goes against a human footsoldier, and rips the human's limbs off with little effort.

Um... No, seen the movie? Or played the RTS? Warcraft Orcs are huge compared humans and your basic grunt vs foot soldier is a terribly one sided fight any day. In both game and movie humans need dwarven ranged weaponry to gain an edge.

I'm geussing you never played the RTS... and have only played WoW... If that is not the case shame on you.

[Dis-member]

Warnoise の投稿を引用：

Why in every Warhammer Greenskins vsWarcraft Orcs thread there are some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who compare the WH40k orks to WC orcs...

WH40k orks could beat all other greenskins, orc factions and all their bro's at the same time.
The numbers of troops still wouldn't compare.

[[L9] Rhinopotamus]

Sjowerd の投稿を引用：

Warnoise の投稿を引用：

Why in every Warhammer Greenskins vsWarcraft Orcs thread there are some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who compare the WH40k orks to WC orcs...

WH40k orks could beat all other greenskins, orc factions and all their bro's at the same time.
The numbers of troops still wouldn't compare.

Exactly because of technology... So why you the ♥♥♥♥ do you think Fantasy Greenskinz would beat Warcraft Orcs?

[Dis-member]

Rhinopotamus の投稿を引用：

Sjowerd の投稿を引用：

WH40k orks could beat all other greenskins, orc factions and all their bro's at the same time.
The numbers of troops still wouldn't compare.

Exactly because of technology... So why you the ♥♥♥♥ do you think Fantasy Greenskinz would beat Warcraft Orcs?

Technology is part of he equation and the fact that 40k orks are probably physically stronger and more resilient then almost all other greenskins, but most importantly the scale. Which is also why it is a moot point, 40k orks are not limited a planet, they have more then enouh numbers to fill entire solar systems with orks