Fantasy is gone now!? whhaaaa

[Fenderz]

So, was anyone like me who fell inlove with this game, so decided to check out the real life warhammer game its based on only to discover that Games workshop has replaced/trashed it..

I read it was because the interest in fantasy warhammer was pretty low, but it seems stupid not to wait for Total War: Warhammer to come out first, to see if it had an effect. Im sure I'm not the only one who wanted to check out the models due to this game. Just putting my thoughts down to hear other peoples views about this really..

[Qinshi]

I thought, games workshop is cashing big piles of money now on the warhammer figures they sell.
There is even adds on the total war hammer informing us, you can 'buy the ingame models'.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer?categoryId=cat440002a-flat&sorting=rec&qty=12&Nu=product.repositoryId&N=102295+4294965125&view=table&_requestid=10760311

[Fenderz]

Originally posted by EternalSilence:

I thought, games workshop is cashing big piles of money now on the warhammer figures they sell.
There is even adds on the total war hammer informing us, you can 'buy the ingame models'.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer?categoryId=cat440002a-flat&sorting=rec&qty=12&Nu=product.repositoryId&N=102295+4294965125&view=table&_requestid=10760311

Yea, but the game its self that Total wat is based on is gone. Like, the world, Armies, lore etc

You can still buy the models, but to use in the new verson of the game, which isn't much like this game. For example, there is no flanking anymore, or regimented units, and all figures can be used in any army, like vampires in an empire army.

[Fenderz]

Originally posted by rekt by Skaeling:

regardless if total war warhammer brought in a huge interest into the game, the game didn't support new players. Fantasy requires lots of units which are overpriced age of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is a "beer and pretzels" low figure amount game.

I don't play and have never played tabletop games, but I enjoy painting a few minis each year and I do love the fantasy and 40k lore. Not a fan of the age of sigmar lore, or the aesthetics of the new minis. But thats just the opinion of a person who has never played the game. From what iv read and watched on youtube the fantasy community felt deep ♥♥♥♥♥♥. GW has historicly been a pretty money hungry company and supporting them has always been hard. Their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lore and minatures are amazing tho. The plastic minis really have no competition, forgeworld is beautiful. The way they treat the community 0/10. Content prices decisions, they don't believe in advertising and they didn't give any love to fantasy which is why it died.

Ye i see your point.. I just dont get why they had to replace it entirely. I don't see how GW would have lost out if they kept it around and released Age of sigmar to be the gateway to get players into fantasy..

I've looked around at other model fantasy games but as good as they may be, they just dont have the suppert that game workshop does, like stores. Finding other players would be a nightmare, if not impossible. I guess it's just not for me.

[Voxrox]

Never played TT myself, but thanks to the video-games and some books I always liked the setting a lot, even more than 40k, it was/is just more accessible to me than scifi

But this "End Times" with Chaos destroying the world - its the best example of short-sightness I've ever seen.

The clever thing would have been to create that Age of Sigmar thing as a spin-off scenario, like we learn how Sigmar ascended to godhood and fights in other plances of existence against Chaos. They still could have "ended" the support for WH-Fantasy as a Table Top if it wasn't as lucrative anymore - yet without killing it completely.

The setting still could have been used for books, comics, videogames of different kinds...

It would be ironic if the sales for Total Warhammer now maybe make them even more money as Age of Sigmar does, would be funny as hell ^^

And one can only pray that the success of TW-Warhammer does NOT mean they eventually have to adapt Sigmar as a future Total War. Instead it would be great if it could lead to a "retcon" and continuation of the World beyond the Table Top stuff at least...

Its not like Games Workshop didn't say before: Forget what we said and did, it's not canon anymore (see "Storm of Chaos"-retcon)

[watcherzero]

Everyone remember the New 52, a cautionary warning.

Im sure within a few years they will go back to the old setting, same way D&D abandoned the simplified rules. Though a pity as I quite liked the setting they created for that edition.

[Steppenrazor]

Sadly.. yea. FB is gone, flushed...

sure they claim it was because intrest/sales were low..

but what can you expect when they've repeated the same old/same old for a decade or two? (Dont fet me wrong, love the lore.. but if youbread it, you notice it gets a bit same-y)

Chaos/*blank* invades.. almost kills off the Empire/who ever.. but they manage to pull off a win and drive back the invaders everything returns to normal... only for it to happen all over again next time they want to try and boost sales.

Sure killing off a faction likely would have ticked folks off too.. (cough.. squats.. cough)...

but they could have some escape, found new land in the 'new world' and fight to reclaim their home.. join upnwith another faction and work togeather to claim a new home etc..

or maybe try making armies for the eastern nations! A cathay army book? Ind? Nippon? All areas/lands/armies that were/are in the lore/fluff... but never touched.

sadly 40k is seeing this to an extent as well, failbadon and his black tea parties?..

a lot of folks also add in.. thebwhole. "You cant copy right elf, orc/orks, dwarfs" factor. (GW is still sore over warcraft... lol)

[White, the Loiterer]

Indeed. My friends and I play table-top via cardboard (miniatures are so overpriced) and begining to dip our toes into 40k.

8th edition fantasy rules with 7th edition army books (they're so cheap on Amazon).

5th edition of 40k.

[Pumble]

I loved earlier tabletop versions of Warhammer, but things got way too expensive as time went on, and the size of the armies shrunk more and more to the point it wasn't armies, just a glorified warband.
So sad to see how it went and was replaced.

[Planetbuster]

For 2 decades the Grand Tourney scene for Warhammer Fantasy was a lot of fun in the USA. Then Kirby decided to kill 30 years of fluff and back story because it didnt "sell".....Yeah right...I admit it didnt sell like crackhead 40k but fantasy was the game that made GW what it is today.


Also when you jack your prices to 50 or 60 dollars for a box of 10 models no ones going to pay that. Age of Sigmar is even worse.....the last orc character model was 40 dollars for a single model!!!! 40 Dollars......seriously a static pose model??? And dont get me started on AoS rules.....i was asleep by the 2nd turn it was so boring.


GW killed fantasy plain and simple for no other reason than greed. Now they have a fantasy game for the league of Legends kiddies but they didnt consider that those kids are broke as ♥♥♥♥ lol.

[Steppenrazor]

Originally posted by Planetbuster:

Also when you jack your prices to 50 or 60 dollars for a box of 10 models no ones going to pay that. Age of Sigmar is even worse.....the last orc character model was 40 dollars for a single model!!!! 40 Dollars......seriously a static pose model??? And dont get me started on AoS rules.....i was asleep by the 2nd turn it was so boring.


GW killed..

I was debating getting back into gameing. (Still am.. but...)

For me, above and beyondnthe incressed costs...

it was when i was reading some of the special rules, for AoS...

stuff like.. if you play setra and you kneel down to pick something up?

You lose.

player with the best mustache(sp?) Gets a bonus... just to name a few...

wtf?!

And that to... zero point costs, zero way to have a blanced game/match...

Decided.. nope. Not for me. Maybe ill go back to 40k, least its still viable.. but then i thought...

what if they do this to 40k! After all the golden throne is failing, and what not...

*shudder*

[White, the Loiterer]

Originally posted by Steppenrazor:

Originally posted by Planetbuster:

Also when you jack your prices to 50 or 60 dollars for a box of 10 models no ones going to pay that. Age of Sigmar is even worse.....the last orc character model was 40 dollars for a single model!!!! 40 Dollars......seriously a static pose model??? And dont get me started on AoS rules.....i was asleep by the 2nd turn it was so boring.


GW killed..

I was debating getting back into gameing. (Still am.. but...)

For me, above and beyondnthe incressed costs...

it was when i was reading some of the special rules, for AoS...

stuff like.. if you play setra and you kneel down to pick something up?

You lose.

player with the best mustache(sp?) Gets a bonus... just to name a few...

wtf?!

They made those rules to make the old factions less appealing in an attempt to sell the new miniatures.

[Donkers Inc.]

It's generally agreed that GW dropped the ball when it moved to AoS, mainly because they handled the transition so poorly.

[RedSun]

There is a fairly new fan-made rendition of the 8th edition rules kept alive by former WHFB players called "The Ninth Age." I think they just came out with their first version of the new rules me and my buddies haven't tried it yet but we plan on switching over to it, Age of Sigmar just doesn't apeal to me.

http://www.the-ninth-age.com

[Ancient]

WFB models were all available from counterfeiters on the cheap for years now. Hell, people have been laser scanning the originals to get a 3D model of them, retouching the details up in ZBrush/Mudbox and then 3D printing them for a few years now too. These ones are outright better than the originals in some cases and are still very cheap.

The 8th ed. WFB rulebooks are all PDF'd and available as torrents, and also have been available that way for years.

I can't even begin to tell you how many people I've seen show up for WFB TT with a ream of paper worth of laser-printed codices in a binder. It was fairly uncommon to meet someone who had a set of legit rulebooks in their kit anymore. And if you asked them about models, they're the same people that bought a whole Chaos army (plus sideboard units) worth of models for $200 from a counterfeiter. The same army would be closer to $2k or more if you bought them from GW.

I think those two factors heavily affected GW's decision to launch the AoS retrofit. AoS and it's totally different looking (but mostly the same) units gives GW a few years of exclusivity before you'll be able to get all the same models from Hong Kong for $10 a piece shipped and find/print all the codices for free.

I understand why people do it, GW's prices are steep, but so many people doing it is what led to WFB's demise in TT because no one was buying the models from GW anymore. They have probably considered burying 40K and rebooting it too by now for the same reasons.

[Sentient Roomba]

played 40k since early 5th, always wanted to get into WFB but the amount of models I would have to buy just to get my daemons playable for WFB was staggering. ah well.