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How powerful was Da Great WAAAGH!?
This is something that I got thinking about after Wurrzag was released. And while I know it was in the End Times (damn most it all to hell!), I really have to ask.

How powerful was Da Great WAAAGH!?

I know that Wurrzag somehow managed to get Grimgor Ironhide and Skarsnik to join forces in it all, though I'd think Grimgor would be focused on the fighting rather than this one other night goblin. Not to mention that it might have also had ogres and all manner of other creatures in it as well.

I was also inspired by the discussion called Goblins vs Skavens, whichi leads me to ask another couple of questions.

Could it have stopped the armies of the Everchosen? Could it have smashed the hordes of Skaven?

I as a huge Greenskin fanboy, I'd like would to think so. :steamhappy:

I mean it had Wurrzag: Da Great Green Prophet, Skarsnik: Warlord of the Eight Peaks, and Grimgor mother Fing Ironhide in it, not to mention probably a good number of other more minior (but still deadly) warbosses or bosses in it.
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Pulled these bullet points from here: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_End_Times#Orcs_.26_Goblins

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Wurrzag Da Great Green Prophet realizes that Gork and Mork (or Mork and Gork?) would have TWO avatars, not share one, and has decided they are Grimgor Ironhide and Skarsnik (or Skarsnik and Grimgor?) respectively. He then goes on a mighty quest to inform them of the fact.

Skarsnik battles the Skaven led by Queek Head Taker for control of the Eight Peaks. Gobbla is killed after a Skaven Beastmaster he had previously eaten cuts its way out of him, causing him to deflate and his brains to leak out of his head. Skarsnik is completely heartbroken and remains so (interestingly proving greenskins can feel emotional attachment and sadness lasting between battles), and after the Dwarfs collapse their halls to prevent Skaven or greenskins from taking it his army leaves the mountains for parts unknown.

Grimgor Ironhide starts battling an endless tide of Skaven, and gets pissed when they all leave for their surface invasion. He goes east, and encounters the empire of the necksnapper. He breaks his back and takes control of his WAAAGH, then goes on to crump the Hobgoblin Khan. With his army bulked up by the eastern greenskins, Grimgor attacks the chaos dwarf held Great bastion and plows through the provinces formerly held by chaos. He rampages through Cathay for a bit before coming to the capital and fighting in a 3 way war between chaos, orcs and the forces of the dragon emperor. Eventually the orcs take Weijin and the Emperor leads the survivors out. The greenskins battle the remnants of the chaos forces while Gork and Mork challenge the chaos gods for dominion of the east. Gork and

Mork win, and the chaos gods turn away from the east in frustration.
Wanting to fight the dragon emperor to prove he is da best, Grimgor follows the Cathayans to the coast where they find a fleet of freebooters. The orks accidentally sail to Nippon instead of after the treasure fleets, and find no organized resistance. They burn the fleets of Nippon and devastate most of Clan Skyre before Gork tells Grimgor to start heading back west.
Despite conquering all of the east, Grimgor is told to head back west for the greater battles. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joins up with him, as do several ogre tribes. During a battle against a large ogre army, Grimgor becomes incarnate of beasts. The remaining ogres swear loyalty to him, and eventually the ogre kingdoms are absorbed into the great WAAAGH!. Gresus Goldtooth tries to fight back, but is defeated by Grimgor.

With the combined might of the greenskin and ogre races, Grimgor leads his forces into the darklands. Many slaves hear the prophecies of the avatars of Gork and Mork, and slave revolts happen all over the chaos dwarf empire. Eventually, the WAAAGH sets millions of orc and ogre slaves free, and they are more than happy to help tear down the ziggarauts of their masters. In the end, the chaos dwarf empire is shattered.

As Grimgor is teleported to Middenheim alongside the other Incarnates, the Skaven attempt to bait the Elves and greenskins into fighting. Malekith stops him from attacking by conceding that Grimgor is Da Best, then tells him that there's a guy named Archaon who thinks that HE'S Da Best and is in serious need of Krumping (he literally says this, providing an awesome understanding of greenskin psychology). Grimgor then leads the greenskins against Archaon's forces.

In the final duel, Grimgor and Archaon fight to the last of their energy. Grimgor headbutts Archaon and breaks his helmet and third eye to break the stalemate, and in a last ditch effort Archaon calls on the Daemon in his sword to empower him allowing him to behead Grimgor.
Grimgor's Immortulz participate in the final battle, fighting alongside the other races against Chaos as the world is consumed.

Oddly enough, Skarsnik/Mork are not even mentioned in the final battle. It's possible they painted themselves purple and survived the End Times, as it would be a cunningly brutal thing to do. Or brutally cunning? (apparently, the real world reason was just that the writer forgot about him, and didn't have the time to research every character still alive. He does go on to say that Skarsnik is meant to be at the final battle, and leads the rest of Grimgor's army to fight the fleeing chaos armies).
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So yeah, Da Great WAAAGH was pretty awesome. Though Skarsnik was too depressed about the death of Gobbla and Grimgor was killed by Archaon. If those two hadn't met such ends they may have actually beaten Archaon.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από White, the Loiterer; 21 Οκτ 2016, 8:34
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από WarlordOfRome:

That does sound pretty awesome.

Skarsnik battles the Skaven led by Queek Head Taker for control of the Eight Peaks. Gobbla is killed after a Skaven Beastmaster he had previously eaten cuts its way out of him, causing him to deflate and his brains to leak out of his head. Skarsnik is completely heartbroken and remains so (interestingly proving greenskins can feel emotional attachment and sadness lasting between battles), and after the Dwarfs collapse their halls to prevent Skaven or greenskins from taking it his army leaves the mountains for parts unknown.

Well, that's just stupid to say the least. Skarsnik is practically spite and hate incarnate. He should've rallying all his boyz to go stomp some ratties in revenge for Gobbla, not sat around like some woman who was called fat.

But I call BS on that Skaven Beastmaster thing surrviving being eaten by a Great Cave Squig. That would never happen.

Gork and Mork win, and the chaos gods turn away from the east in frustration.

Ok it's proven.

Gork and Mork > Panzy Chaos Gods

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από WarlordOfRome:
But what do you think?

If Da Great WAAAGH! got going gud and propa, could it have beaten the forces Chaos or Skaven?
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από chubbyninja89 (TNB); 21 Οκτ 2016, 9:38
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από WarlordOfRome:
Pulled these bullet points from here: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_End_Times#Orcs_.26_Goblins

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Wurrzag Da Great Green Prophet realizes that Gork and Mork (or Mork and Gork?) would have TWO avatars, not share one, and has decided they are Grimgor Ironhide and Skarsnik (or Skarsnik and Grimgor?) respectively. He then goes on a mighty quest to inform them of the fact.

Skarsnik battles the Skaven led by Queek Head Taker for control of the Eight Peaks. Gobbla is killed after a Skaven Beastmaster he had previously eaten cuts its way out of him, causing him to deflate and his brains to leak out of his head. Skarsnik is completely heartbroken and remains so (interestingly proving greenskins can feel emotional attachment and sadness lasting between battles), and after the Dwarfs collapse their halls to prevent Skaven or greenskins from taking it his army leaves the mountains for parts unknown.

Grimgor Ironhide starts battling an endless tide of Skaven, and gets pissed when they all leave for their surface invasion. He goes east, and encounters the empire of the necksnapper. He breaks his back and takes control of his WAAAGH, then goes on to crump the Hobgoblin Khan. With his army bulked up by the eastern greenskins, Grimgor attacks the chaos dwarf held Great bastion and plows through the provinces formerly held by chaos. He rampages through Cathay for a bit before coming to the capital and fighting in a 3 way war between chaos, orcs and the forces of the dragon emperor. Eventually the orcs take Weijin and the Emperor leads the survivors out. The greenskins battle the remnants of the chaos forces while Gork and Mork challenge the chaos gods for dominion of the east. Gork and

Mork win, and the chaos gods turn away from the east in frustration.
Wanting to fight the dragon emperor to prove he is da best, Grimgor follows the Cathayans to the coast where they find a fleet of freebooters. The orks accidentally sail to Nippon instead of after the treasure fleets, and find no organized resistance. They burn the fleets of Nippon and devastate most of Clan Skyre before Gork tells Grimgor to start heading back west.
Despite conquering all of the east, Grimgor is told to head back west for the greater battles. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joins up with him, as do several ogre tribes. During a battle against a large ogre army, Grimgor becomes incarnate of beasts. The remaining ogres swear loyalty to him, and eventually the ogre kingdoms are absorbed into the great WAAAGH!. Gresus Goldtooth tries to fight back, but is defeated by Grimgor.

With the combined might of the greenskin and ogre races, Grimgor leads his forces into the darklands. Many slaves hear the prophecies of the avatars of Gork and Mork, and slave revolts happen all over the chaos dwarf empire. Eventually, the WAAAGH sets millions of orc and ogre slaves free, and they are more than happy to help tear down the ziggarauts of their masters. In the end, the chaos dwarf empire is shattered.

As Grimgor is teleported to Middenheim alongside the other Incarnates, the Skaven attempt to bait the Elves and greenskins into fighting. Malekith stops him from attacking by conceding that Grimgor is Da Best, then tells him that there's a guy named Archaon who thinks that HE'S Da Best and is in serious need of Krumping (he literally says this, providing an awesome understanding of greenskin psychology). Grimgor then leads the greenskins against Archaon's forces.

In the final duel, Grimgor and Archaon fight to the last of their energy. Grimgor headbutts Archaon and breaks his helmet and third eye to break the stalemate, and in a last ditch effort Archaon calls on the Daemon in his sword to empower him allowing him to behead Grimgor.
Grimgor's Immortulz participate in the final battle, fighting alongside the other races against Chaos as the world is consumed.

Oddly enough, Skarsnik/Mork are not even mentioned in the final battle. It's possible they painted themselves purple and survived the End Times, as it would be a cunningly brutal thing to do. Or brutally cunning? (apparently, the real world reason was just that the writer forgot about him, and didn't have the time to research every character still alive. He does go on to say that Skarsnik is meant to be at the final battle, and leads the rest of Grimgor's army to fight the fleeing chaos armies).
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So yeah, Da Great WAAAGH was pretty awesome. Though Skarsnik was too depressed about the death of Gobbla and Grimgor was killed by Archaon. If those two hadn't met such ends they may have actually beaten Archaon.


That was a great read, thank you
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Adam World Eater:

What do you think?

If Da Great WAAAGH! got going gud and propa, could it have beaten the forces Chaos or Skaven?
No, it wouldn't have been able to defeat the forces of Archaon. Hell, they wouldn't have even killed the ogre kingdoms if the writers hadn't moved Greasus Goldtooths idiot levels up to max.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από SleepyNarwhalz; 21 Οκτ 2016, 12:00
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από chubbyninja89 (the Ninja Brony):
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Adam World Eater:

What do you think?

If Da Great WAAAGH! got going gud and propa, could it have beaten the forces Chaos or Skaven?
Yes, yes it could.

Cause anything can happen with da greenskins.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από White, the Loiterer; 21 Οκτ 2016, 12:01
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SleepyNarwhalz:
No, it wouldn't have been able to defeat the forces of Archaon. Hell, they wouldn't have even killed the ogre kingdoms if the writers hadn't moved Greasus Goldtooths idiot levels up to max.

Well it wasn't like Greasus was a super genius to begin with. And I truly think that Grimgor could easily take Greasus in a fight. He's like a orc Daemon Prince, and I bet he's probably killed a few of those too.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από chubbyninja89 (TNB); 21 Οκτ 2016, 12:13
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από chubbyninja89 (the Ninja Brony):
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SleepyNarwhalz:
No, it wouldn't have been able to defeat the forces of Archaon. Hell, they wouldn't have even killed the ogre kingdoms if the writers hadn't moved Greasus Goldtooths idiot levels up to max.

Well it wasn't like Greasus was a super genius to begin with. And I truly think that Grimgor could easily take Greasus in a fight. He's like a orc Daemon Prince, and I bet he's probably killed a few of those too.
Uhhh... Greasus is actually quite smart. Also Greasus had actually WON the fight, but then the writers were like "you know what? lets make it so that he makes the stupidest move in the world!"
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από SleepyNarwhalz; 21 Οκτ 2016, 12:12
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SleepyNarwhalz:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από chubbyninja89 (the Ninja Brony):

Well it wasn't like Greasus was a super genius to begin with. And I truly think that Grimgor could easily take Greasus in a fight. He's like a orc Daemon Prince, and I bet he's probably killed a few of those too.
Uhhh... Greasus is actually quite smart. Also Greasus had actually WON the fight, but then the writers were like "you know what? lets make it so that he makes the stupidest move in the world!"

This is why fanboying is bad lol. After something is written into a world, let it go, that's how it played out. Crying that x wouldn't have happened because "I wouldn't have wrote it that way" is cringy at best and extremely childish at worst.

I love the story of grimgore, but I accept that he died to archaon. I love the lizardmen as my favourite race in warhammer fantasy, but I accept that they are doomed to eventually be beaten by the forces of chaos.

Leave the fanboying at the door and just accept the stories that progress, it's just a story.
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Steel Jacket:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SleepyNarwhalz:
Uhhh... Greasus is actually quite smart. Also Greasus had actually WON the fight, but then the writers were like "you know what? lets make it so that he makes the stupidest move in the world!"

This is why fanboying is bad lol. After something is written into a world, let it go, that's how it played out. Crying that x wouldn't have happened because "I wouldn't have wrote it that way" is cringy at best and extremely childish at worst.

I love the story of grimgore, but I accept that he died to archaon. I love the lizardmen as my favourite race in warhammer fantasy, but I accept that they are doomed to eventually be beaten by the forces of chaos.

Leave the fanboying at the door and just accept the stories that progress, it's just a story.

If only we could trust the writers to actually do the setting justice, this would be appropriate. But do we really need to point out the billion inconsistencies and idiocies in Warhammer (both Fantasy and 40k) writing to show that the writers sometimes just don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ know what they're doing?
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SleepyNarwhalz:
Uhhh... Greasus is actually quite smart. Also Greasus had actually WON the fight, but then the writers were like "you know what? lets make it so that he makes the stupidest move in the world!"

This is why fanboying is bad lol. After something is written into a world, let it go, that's how it played out. Crying that x wouldn't have happened because "I wouldn't have wrote it that way" is cringy at best and extremely childish at worst.

I love the story of grimgore, but I accept that he died to archaon. I love the lizardmen as my favourite race in warhammer fantasy, but I accept that they are doomed to eventually be beaten by the forces of chaos.

Leave the fanboying at the door and just accept the stories that progress, it's just a story.
I'm not a fanboy of Greasus, I'm a fanboy of good writing. In the final fight Greasus actually won but then he put his weapon down and tried to grab grimor. WTF, right? Anyway thats not the point I was trying to make. My point is that if Grimgor was nearly killed by an ogre, then how would he manage to kill the guy that ends the world (and also kills him later in the timeline as well)?


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If only we could trust the writers to actually do the setting justice, this would be appropriate. But do we really need to point out the billion inconsistencies and idiocies in Warhammer (both Fantasy and 40k) writing to show that the writers sometimes just don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ know what they're doing?
Also this. I like the end times well enough, but it became really obvious at the end that they just wanted to destroy WF.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από SleepyNarwhalz; 21 Οκτ 2016, 12:33
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SleepyNarwhalz:
Uhhh... Greasus is actually quite smart. Also Greasus had actually WON the fight, but then the writers were like "you know what? lets make it so that he makes the stupidest move in the world!"

Dude, Greasus wasn't that smart. He went from a stupid ogre to maybe your average human in intelligence. And Grimgor can pretty much take down almost anything in the Warhammer world, since he can tear dragons and the like apart with ease.
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SleepyNarwhalz:
Uhhh... Greasus is actually quite smart. Also Greasus had actually WON the fight, but then the writers were like "you know what? lets make it so that he makes the stupidest move in the world!"

Dude, Greasus wasn't that smart. He went from a stupid ogre to maybe your average human in intelligence. And Grimgor can pretty much take down almost anything in the Warhammer world, since he can tear dragons and the like apart with ease.
In their actual fight, Greasus disarms Grimgor and would have killed him if he hadn't thrown away his weapon.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από SleepyNarwhalz; 21 Οκτ 2016, 12:39
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SleepyNarwhalz:
In their actual fight, Greasus disarms Grimgor and would have killed him if he hadn't thrown away his weapon.

Maybe he was going to try to eat him. And I bet it was a lucky shot too.

I mean, if the writing is so bad, then it could also be said that Greasus disarming Grimgor is just as dumb as him dropping his own weapon.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Steel Jacket:
Can you blame some people though? The writing that is allowed to be put into the fluff can sometimes be horrendously painful to accept.

That's what I'm talking about.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από chubbyninja89 (TNB); 21 Οκτ 2016, 12:45
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από chubbyninja89 (the Ninja Brony):
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SleepyNarwhalz:
In their actual fight, Greasus disarms Grimgor and would have killed him if he hadn't thrown away his weapon.

Maybe he was going to try to eat him. And I bet it was a lucky shot too.

I mean, if the writing is so bad, then it could also be said that Greasus disarming Grimgor is just as dumb as him dropping his own weapon.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Steel Jacket:
Can you blame some people though? The writing that is allowed to be put into the fluff can sometimes be horrendously painful to accept.

That's what I meant.

On the other hand, Greasus has shown to have the brainpower to think of more than "bash whatever's in front of me and eat it, and not necessarily in that order". If he really wanted to snack on the black orc, Greasus could've just killed him first and THEN eaten him.
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