Are Warhammer Fantasy Elves...

[Daryl]

As annoying and frustrating as The Elder Scrolls's mers.. or Thalmor?

Or are they more mystically intuned with the complicated politics of Lord of the Rings/Hobbit?

Or are they somewhere in between?

Talking about Warhammer Wood Elves and High Elves. Dark Elves are completely something else

[Ysthrall]

Originally posted by Vargas78:

They're more like the Tolkien elves but more aloof. Some of the noldor in the Silmarillion could be pretty mean spirited and arrogant though.

Absolutely. The Noldor still about for the War of the Ring have had millenia of being kicked to grind down their arrogance and pride. The Noldor in the Silmarillion are very much High Elves :)

[Lieutenant Dan]

Warhammer Elves are like a blend of Quendi from Middle Earth and the Melniboneans from the Elric Saga, in that they're not only gifted, beautiful, intelligent, spiritual and virtually immortal like all Elves, but also slaves to pleasure, masters of magic, closer to otherworldly forces than most others should be, are are essentially functional sociopaths. This is true for all Elves.

High Elves are what would happen if you took the Silmarillion's Noldor, and mixed them with Atlantis, the British Empire, and the Golden Age of Athens. The High Elves are genuinely one of if, if not the most civilized and sophisticated race. Beyond essentially inventing and/or mastering almost everything except metalwork, engineering, and masonry which are the Dwarfs' thing (and even the Dwarfs at least appreciate High Elven crafts), they are really the only true global power in the Warhammer World and have more or less taken over the Lizardmen's job as protectors from Chaos, which they are now trying to pass onto humanity. They are probably one of the few cases in fantasy where Elven arrogance is somewhat justifiable; if the High Elves weren't around then the world would've been taken over by Chaos long before humanity would exist. In short, the High Elves are how Roman, Byzantine, or British Empires saw themselves; forces of order and civilization in a barbaric world.

The Wood Elves are the Fair Folk of Celtic mythology. They are a race that functions on a completely different concept of morality and are known to treat others with indifference at best or callous disregard at worst, and are easily angered for the slightest offenses. Wood Elves are known to help humans individually, but overall people avoid them to not be killed or cursed for making the wrong request or doing the wrong thing, and anyone that enters their forest unannounced is almost always killled, no matter the reason. Really, the Wood Elves are a force of nature.

[Daryl]

so High Elves in this is as annoying or more annoying than Thalmors?

[Lieutenant Dan]

Originally posted by Daryl:

so High Elves in this is as annoying or more annoying than Thalmors?

I'd say equally but differently, but there's a little nuance here.

The Thalmor are Altmeri Nazis; they're a small, but powerful,radical, and influential party of High Elven supremacists that took over their government in the aftermath of a disaster, playing on hypernationalistm and a reactionary front against outsiders. They're a small number of an entire race. Generally in Elder Scrolls, many High Elven NPCs don't play on or live up to the idea that High Elves are uppity ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Warhammer High Elves are also extremely haughty. They think they're better than everyone and honestly, many have the same perspective on us like how Dark Elves do, in that we're either potential slaves or a swarm to be exterminated for a new empire. That said, there are High Elves, likke Tyrion, Teclis, and the current Phoenix King Finubar that see other races as more as allies than subjects or vassals, but they're still very imperialistic. To them, an ally is more like someone that fights for you than someone you fight alongside on.

Your average High Elf acts kind of like the alpha jock or mean girl if Warhammer was High School. They're beautiful, talented, rich, and powerful, and they aren't shy about it and rarely have any concern for others, but once in awhile, they do something nice, even if it's usually for their own benefit.

[Daryl]

Originally posted by Lieutenant Dan:

Originally posted by Daryl:

so High Elves in this is as annoying or more annoying than Thalmors?

I'd say equally but differently, but there's a little nuance here.

The Thalmor are Altmeri Nazis; they're a small, but powerful,radical, and influential party of High Elven supremacists that took over their government in the aftermath of a disaster, playing on hypernationalistm and a reactionary front against outsiders. They're a small number of an entire race.

Warhammer High Elves are extremely haughty. They think they're better than everyone and honestly, many have the same perspective on us like how Dark Elves do, in that we're either potential slaves or a swarm to be exterminated for a new empire. That said, there are High Elves, likke Tyrion, Teclis, and the current Phoenix King Finubar that see other races as more as allies than subjects or vassals.

Your average High Elf acts kind of like the alpha jock or mean girl if Warhammer was High School. They're beautiful, talented, rich, and powerful, and they aren't shy about it and rarely have any concern for others, but once in awhile, they do something nice, even if it's usually for their own benefit.

Hmm.. well they're bareable compared to Thalmor.
I mean let us not forget Thalmor took credit for what the Hero of Kvatch (you) did.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Originally posted by Daryl:

Originally posted by Lieutenant Dan:

I'd say equally but differently, but there's a little nuance here.

The Thalmor are Altmeri Nazis; they're a small, but powerful,radical, and influential party of High Elven supremacists that took over their government in the aftermath of a disaster, playing on hypernationalistm and a reactionary front against outsiders. They're a small number of an entire race.

Warhammer High Elves are extremely haughty. They think they're better than everyone and honestly, many have the same perspective on us like how Dark Elves do, in that we're either potential slaves or a swarm to be exterminated for a new empire. That said, there are High Elves, likke Tyrion, Teclis, and the current Phoenix King Finubar that see other races as more as allies than subjects or vassals.

Your average High Elf acts kind of like the alpha jock or mean girl if Warhammer was High School. They're beautiful, talented, rich, and powerful, and they aren't shy about it and rarely have any concern for others, but once in awhile, they do something nice, even if it's usually for their own benefit.

Hmm.. well they're bareable compared to Thalmor.
I mean let us not forget Thalmor took credit for what the Hero of Kvatch (you) did.

Exactly, but to make it worse, the High Elves basically did what the Hero of Kvatch did thousands of years ago in the game.

Granted, they had a little bit of help that they either don't recognize or know about, but they did most of the heavy lifting. They still brag about it and use it to justify pretty much everything they do.

[Harukage]

High elves did not realy do a thing. Caledor Dragontamer and a group of his close archmages did. Other High Elves just like Aenarion would have pretended to be superior and invincible and loose to their own pride eventualy. Not just that but Caledor and his coven were inside the Great Vortex supporting it all the time until Teclis had unbound the winds of magic in The End Times.

[Daryl]

Originally posted by Lieutenant Dan:

Originally posted by Daryl:

Hmm.. well they're bareable compared to Thalmor.
I mean let us not forget Thalmor took credit for what the Hero of Kvatch (you) did.

Exactly, but to make it worse, the High Elves basically did what the Hero of Kvatch did thousands of years ago in the game.

Granted, they had a little bit of help that they either don't recognize or know about, but they did most of the heavy lifting. They still brag about it and use it to justify pretty much everything they do.

Thalmor = unwarranted self-importance
High Elves of Warhammer = self-importance for doing 70% of the work.


Huge difference

[Jakal, Lady kisser]

Originally posted by Harukage:

High elves did not realy do a thing. Caledor Dragontamer and a group of his close archmages did. Other High Elves just like Aenarion would have pretended to be superior and invincible and loose to their own pride eventualy. Not just that but Caledor and his coven were inside the Great Vortex supporting it all the time until Teclis had unbound the winds of magic in The End Times.

and even all that hindged on the runic amulet grimnir had given caledor as a gift earlier as the centeral focus of the vortex, so the elves couldn't have done ♥♥♥♥ without the dwarfs to begin with, they just decided not to ever mention that to anyone.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Originally posted by Harukage:

High elves did not realy do a thing. Caledor Dragontamer and a group of his close archmages did. Other High Elves just like Aenarion would have pretended to be superior and invincible and loose to their own pride eventualy. Not just that but Caledor and his coven were inside the Great Vortex supporting it all the time until Teclis had unbound the winds of magic in The End Times.

The High Elves erected and maintained the entire layline network that supports and strengthens the Vortex for thousands of years, all over the world, as well as leading expeditions to protect them from Chaos cultists and others that would destroy them. While Aenarion and Caledor did about 60% the entire race has done the last 40%.

Without the efforts of High Elves for the past thousands of years, Chaos might've been more prominent as a threat.

[Daryl]

Originally posted by Lieutenant Dan:

Originally posted by Harukage:

High elves did not realy do a thing. Caledor Dragontamer and a group of his close archmages did. Other High Elves just like Aenarion would have pretended to be superior and invincible and loose to their own pride eventualy. Not just that but Caledor and his coven were inside the Great Vortex supporting it all the time until Teclis had unbound the winds of magic in The End Times.

The High Elves erected and maintained the entire layline network that supports and strengthens the Vortex for thousands of years, all over the world, as well as leading expeditions to protect them from Chaos cultists and others that would destroy them. While Aenarion and Caledor did about 60% the entire race has done the last 40%.

Didnt Aenarion fall in the hands of a Slaaneshi cultist and took her as a wife.

And she attributed to the future of the Dark Elves?

[Dracon]

Originally posted by Ysthrall:

Look at it from the point of view of the High Elves for a bit.

They are one of the oldest civilisations, if not species on the planet. They have a recorded history older than anyone bar the Slaan/Lizardmen. They have built their island continent into a thing of majesty and beauty, elevated their art, magic and culture to a very high level. They are sufficiently good artisans that the Dwarfs liked their work. They are sufficiently good mages to set up the complex spiral of magical energies that drains Chaos magic out of the whole world and keeps doing so continuosly, for millenia.

They have survived the corruption of their race, and a horrific civil war. Catacylsmic earthquakes that sank large chunks of their homeland. They fought the Karaz Ankor at it's hieght, to a nil-nil draw. They've managed to hold off their angry relatives, teach magic to the humans, and build a network of trade and naval exploration on a global scale (see: Fortress of the Dawn, Citadel of Dusk).

All this while contending with repeated Chaos incursions, a dwindling population, and trying to keep everything shiny white.

They are arrogant perfectionists with a superiority complex the size of Ulthuan.... but I'd say they have a right to it :)

Dragon ogres are oldest one, they are even older than "old ones"

[Lieutenant Dan]

Originally posted by Daryl:

Originally posted by Lieutenant Dan:

The High Elves erected and maintained the entire layline network that supports and strengthens the Vortex for thousands of years, all over the world, as well as leading expeditions to protect them from Chaos cultists and others that would destroy them. While Aenarion and Caledor did about 60% the entire race has done the last 40%.

Didnt Aenarion fall in the hands of a Slaaneshi cultist and took her as a wife.

And she attributed to the future of the Dark Elves?

Morathi was either an Elf that was indoctrinated by a cult, was a cultist, or was an innocent victim that eventually turned to Chaos herself. Whatever the case is, Morathi is a major instigator, if not the main person, behind the Sundering. Malekith was raised by her and taught everything he knew and it's likely that Morathi played on his hopes and aspirations out of a very twisted love for Aenarion. Malekith just pulled and took the punches.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Originally posted by Daryl:

Originally posted by Lieutenant Dan:

Exactly, but to make it worse, the High Elves basically did what the Hero of Kvatch did thousands of years ago in the game.

Granted, they had a little bit of help that they either don't recognize or know about, but they did most of the heavy lifting. They still brag about it and use it to justify pretty much everything they do.

Thalmor = unwarranted self-importance
High Elves of Warhammer = self-importance for doing 70% of the work.


Huge difference

Precisely :)
The Thalmor took credit for something they didn't do out of Elven supramcy and despiration.
The Asur took credit for something they did as a testatment to their magical knowledge.

[Daryl]

Originally posted by Lieutenant Dan:

Originally posted by Daryl:

Didnt Aenarion fall in the hands of a Slaaneshi cultist and took her as a wife.

And she attributed to the future of the Dark Elves?

Morathi was either an Elf that was indoctrinated by a cult, was a cultist, or was an innocent victim that eventually turned to Chaos herself. Whatever the case is, Morathi is a major instigator, if not the main person, behind the Sundering. Malekith was raised by her and taught everything he knew and it's likely that Morathi played on his hopes and aspirations out of a very twisted love for Aenarion. Malekith just pulled and took the punches.

Didnt Mortahi also convinced Aenarion to hunt and kill Caledor. But he regained clarity when he met Caledor at the place thingy.
And they worked together to combat the forces of Chaos until everyone was sucked into the vortex?