Fantasy is better than 40k

[Nick]

I need to settle this with a friend and I would like to know some opinons about which is overall better not just the games but lore and things too.

[It's Clown Time!]

I think setting wise they're about equal but fantasy definetly has better characters

[Chameon]

Originally posted by It's Clown Time!:

I think setting wise they're about equal but fantasy definetly has better characters

As a 40k fan, fantasy has better characters overall, 40k has the higher potential for stories overall. Fantasy has a finite world, with what's in that world. 40k they can literally make up a new world any time they want to explore a new concept. This means alot of 40k novels are one-offs conceptually, but it does allow far more exploration of concepts and a touch more freedom design-wise.

[Jakal, Lady kisser]

fantasy is better in every way except you can play 40k bombed out of your head and still run it pretty well since there's no tactical sense needed.

[Perfect Femcell]

40k over AOS any day

[Stygobite]

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Sometimes I think 40k can be too grimdark, in the sense that even being alive in its universe is pointless and its better to just neck yourself than to live in it.

At least theres some positive aspects to living in Fantasy, depending on your circumstances. It makes it a bit more relatable in that sense.

There is always a chance no matter how small in fantasy that you could end up as a badass. And even if you die you might just be raised from the dead and have another very slim shot of being a badass.

[Josch]

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Sometimes I think 40k can be too grimdark, in the sense that even being alive in its universe is pointless and its better to just neck yourself than to live in it.

At least theres some positive aspects to living in Fantasy, depending on your circumstances. It makes it a bit more relatable in that sense.

That's exactly why I prefer 40k, it gives it a unique touch, a grim touch, but at least it's not so generic as fantasy. The latter is too much based on our real history, especially the human fractions are really boring due to that.

[Ashardalon]

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Sometimes I think 40k can be too grimdark, in the sense that even being alive in its universe is pointless and its better to just neck yourself than to live in it.

At least theres some positive aspects to living in Fantasy, depending on your circumstances. It makes it a bit more relatable in that sense.

suicide ends you in the warp
only hope is living a pious live and dieing in battle and then hoping that the emperor myths are real and he will save you
death is no escape

i prefer 40k, the place is big enough to have significant things happen without destroing too much
too many of fantasy needs to end like it started
there are also some great stories in 40k with amazing characters, but also a lot more fail characters
but also deamon worlds and krootand soooo many more settings
stories like the zoantrope that took a bite out of the unborn eldar god
so much potential
also better orks

[Ashardalon]

no way to be sure
i am sure you need to die as a pious person in battle to have a chanse
or figure out how spiritstones work
maybe necrons have some other ways
or you can be fed to an dark eldar
or a zoantrope

any other way its strait to the warp
suicide or not
die without protection and its infinite torture for you!

its the kind of doom that gives no other choise then be heroic
just killing yourself wont help
its a nice touch
no hope, just heroic despair

[Rattlesnake]

Originally posted by Field Marshal Erwin Rommel:

40k over AOS any day

I find AOS revolting, disgusting,the worst of the chaos mutations and i think there is a fine line between Warhammer fantasy and AOS.

[Chameon]

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Are you sure about the suicide warp thing? I cant find a reference anywhere about that.

I guess my view is that I'd rather be an ordinary citizen of Fantasy's Empire than an ordinary citizen of 40k's Imperium.

I do like the use of Latin in 40k though. Its such a great language.

In 40k, as I understand it, the Warp is a reflection of emotions/beliefs/etc taken to their illogical extremes. Furthermore, there's a shocking number of similarities (Not really shocking) between certain real world religions and 40k's God-Emperor faith. Quite a few religions note that committing suicide will result in a punishing afterlife, as sort of an afterthought. So, since there's good odds the individual in question believes that suicide will result in a punishing afterlife, there's good odds they'll end up in the warp as opposed to being drawn in to be consumed by the Emperor.

That said, I also believe that if you're drawn -to- the Emperor in the afterlife, he just unintentionally eats you, because extra warp energy right there and he does the same thing to psykers...sooo...yeah.

Now, the good news is, not all souls that end up in the warp are devoured by the varying chaos gods or even by their servants. Indeed, quite a few end up just in utter complete hungry desire to take over a body, or don't realize they're dead and try to get into ships whenever they come near them and experience pain, or are caught by undivided daemons and gnawed on, or are eaten by a weapon that's not chaos aligned (Dark Eldar are known for having soul manipulating tech, for instance). So yeah! Infinite misery is just one death without being perfectly faithful away! And the best you can probably hope for in death is that the Emperor -might- destroy your soul swiftly :D

[Shandor]

Well it comes down to personal Preferences.

What i dont like about 40k is that Space Marine Centric lore.
Alien Armybooks are written from a Human standpoint and 99% of all Novels are about how Imba Space Marines are. And thats sooo boring.
That Space Wolf Novel: 5 Space Wolves are stranded on a Planet that got invaded by a full Dark Eldar Fleet. The 5 Space Wolves kill them all, enter the mothership of the Dark Eldar and destroys it. And one of the Space Wolves almost got wounded!! O.O *moan*

Yeah GW we got it.. the Space Marines are soooooo hardcore! They even need a Space Marine inside a Space Marine because they are so good!

Fantasy isnt based on a single Faction, with all other factions are only cannon foodder for the "main Faction" The Empire isnt more important to the lore then Lizardman, Chaos or Highelves.

The Fantasy factions are Equal to each other. None of them stands out above others.
The 40k factions are only sidefactions so the Space Marines have something to kill.
(im talking about the lore not the results of a Game)

Thats why Fantasy is alot more Interesting in my Opinion.
Epic Stories about Nagash, Teclis, Malekith, Mazamundi aso. The list is long.
40k has almost no Epic stories about non Space marines or corrupted Space Marines.

Thats why i stopped reading 40k Novels. If i read another Book of some Giant Human Mutants killing millions of Aliens without beeing in danger i will get sick.

Its almost like a Superman Comic without Kryptonite and Superman beating the crap out of Lex Luthor who is just a Human without any special powers.

[Boomer]

Pre-end times WFB > Horus Heresy 40k > End times WFB > general 40k > AoS

... imo

[Emperor Cheesius Secundus]

Originally posted by Ashardalon:

Are you sure about the suicide warp thing? I cant find a reference anywhere about that.

I guess my view is that I'd rather be an ordinary citizen of Fantasy's Empire than an ordinary citizen of 40k's Imperium.

I do like the use of Latin in 40k though. Its such a great language.

I agree with that bit about latin. Latin is just a great language. I also agree with you on the empire VS imperium thing. The imperium is very oppresive and currupt and just evil from what i've seen. In the empire there are still poop people, people who won't make anything out life. But it's better than the imperium.

[Something completely different]

40K is depressing. Litterally nothing good to fight for there with everything being stale, corrupt, in state of decay, mindless or a scam.

Even the one good race (Tau) there was was modified to include a domination effect so they fitted the depressing mood of the game better.

Fantasy is a hogwash of settings and legends mashed together but atleast the characters are much more interesting and the story line is FAR less depressing.
The end times story made me cringe though (Malakiths story and the fight of the everchosen in particular) and I refuse to read anything about Sigmars age.

[Emperor Cheesius Secundus]

Originally posted by Something completely different:

40K is depressing. Litterally nothing good to fight for there with everything being stale, corrupt, in state of decay, mindless or a scam.

Even the one good race (Tau) there was was modified to include a domination effect so they fitted the depressing mood of the game better.

Fantasy is a hogwash of settings and legends mashed together but atleast the characters are much more interesting and the story line is FAR less depressing.
The end times story made me cringe though (Malakiths story and the fight of the everchosen in particular) and I refuse to read anything about Sigmars age.

I have no F-ing idea what you guys are really talking about, i may look into this though.