use of dwarf thunderers?

[00yiggdrasill00]

i know they are ment to be my anti armor ranged but i just cant find a solid use for them. i initually had them on the flanks to guard against and shoot at cav but that prooved disasterous as they just cant do it. i can set them up front of the inf for a volly or three if im lucky but what then? with the friendly fire from behind i get almost no further use for them short of a serious flank move where i shoot them in the back. what am i supposed to use these guys for when quarralers can just shoot over the inf at the enemy archers and cav till thats cleaned up and move safely from there?

[Lord Duckington]

You can create formations where thunderers could still fire, just be a bit creative. A example would be: .-._.-. The dots and the upper line would be infantry creating walls and the lower line will be the thudnerer unit, the AI will run into the infantry and preferably some of them will also run into the middle where your thunderes will be waiting to shoot them in their flank as soon as they engage the side guarding infantry.
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[Uugly]

Rarely see any massacre friendly with shooting in the back. Place them further in the back might allow for them to shoot throw. Friendly fire in here is kind of rare. Unlike in the previous TW. Your missile units doesn't miss fire and kill your squads.

Gyrocotors can avoid most of the missils with micro them around fellbats or verghiests when get attack.

Square formation or camp at the corner is dwarfs cheapest strategic. Slayers or hammerers in the back to protected the flank and any missile units.

Thunderers to me is one of the most strongest range units if they managed to focus fires. Their bullets travel an incredible speed and accuracy as well. The armor pierces are doing high damage to lightly units. While the querreler would have trouble with high armor units.

[Tom]

thunderers for me are used for hitting armoured big units, like cav when engaged in melee. I think they can shoot at cav over the heads of melee.. Last time i tried they could.

[00yiggdrasill00]

Originally posted by Murderer:

Rarely see any massacre friendly with shooting in the back.

really? ive heard its an issue that scales with difficulty. if its not im all happy with using them because yeah that AP is useful. im just at the point where im upgrading my melee troops but my ranged is the same old stuff. if it works im fine with it but it sort of kills the use of the foundery as a core building outside the odd cannon

[SleepyNarwhalz]

Originally posted by 00yiggdrasill00:

Originally posted by Murderer:

Rarely see any massacre friendly with shooting in the back.

really? ive heard its an issue that scales with difficulty. if its not im all happy with using them because yeah that AP is useful. im just at the point where im upgrading my melee troops but my ranged is the same old stuff. if it works im fine with it but it sort of kills the use of the foundery as a core building outside the odd cannon

The game has a built in 'do not FF' thing, so actually causing a significant deal of damage with your own troops is rather difficult unless its artillery. And I'm fairly sure difficulty doesn't affect it.

[Hypnosis]

They are great for attacking monsters. I use them to engage monsters who are attacking the line.

[00yiggdrasill00]

ah ok thanks for the info will have to see how it all plays out

[Panfilo]

BTW the cutoff point in which the DPS of Thunderers exceeds that of Quarrelers is vs targets that have 30 armor or above. In other words, anything below this (like Savage Orcs) the volume of fire from Quarrelers will be more effective. But anything above and the armor of the target is mitigating the Quarreler missile fire much more than the Thunderer shots.

This is significant because 30 armor is not a lot, and I bet many players were like me in that they mainly used Thunderers for heavily armored targets.

[Daddy Shark]

^ That guy knows his stuff.

The best way I've found to use them is to have them behind your infantry line and off to one side. wait until your melee guys have established a line and engaged the enemy, then just walk them a little off to the side and slightly in front of your line, so they're shooting into the enemy from the side at 90 degrees. Shooting sideways into the line absolutely demolishes anything.

[-Singularity-]

They are great against Lords and Heroes as well.

[00yiggdrasill00]

thats some cool info there thanks. little off to the side huh? i should be able to manage that. im thinking, if i mix quarellers with only a few guns i can get a little of both worlds, or is this a bad idea?

[SleepyNarwhalz]

Originally posted by 00yiggdrasill00:

thats some cool info there thanks. little off to the side huh? i should be able to manage that. im thinking, if i mix quarellers with only a few guns i can get a little of both worlds, or is this a bad idea?

Mixing is best unless your up against dwarfs or the chaos forces (since they have loads of armor)

[DeathHead]

I find they really shine against monstrous units and giants. They can easily target them from behind your lines.

[Barser]

They can hit big monster units with ease when firering from the back. Great for shooting over the tiny dwarfs :)

[00yiggdrasill00]

ah yes the chaos armor, thanks for the reminder. someone mentioned hitting horses from the back line, can anyone else back this up? against the greenskin cavalry is a huge issue