The Game is way too fast

[SunnyTimes]

I think the game plays waay too fast, the longest battle i've had was eight and a half minutes and thats a full 4v4 battle, and in single player its impossible to keep track of everything without pausing and slow mo, it really needs to be slowed down a lot, especially in the late game when you're dealing with powerful AI enemies and you can only focus on so much while the AI and its huge armies is doing everything at once, i dont like it when i HAVE to slow the game down with either half speed or pause completely, and i think either giving the units more health or something would really be very good

[[H1N1] DALLAS aka THE BAD]

The campaigns are also very fast, i finished in the elven mini map in one day....

[gachi is manly]

引用自 Shandor：

引用自 Lyle Ugleman：

So faster battles = more casual to you?

Because let me tell ya... Starcraft 2 is WAY less casual than Total War my friend. It takes much more reflex skill and high actions per minute to succeed at it. This game is more memory based, and even with the faster paced battles requires much less APM to do well at than SC2.

I'm actually quite baffled somebody would think TW is less casual than the series that's king of competitive RTS.

well if you put Multiplayer aside Starcraft is really casual. Its almost impossible to fail the campaign. TW on the other hand.. its much less forgiving and legendary can be a challenge. Not because of the Battles. Because of the World map managing. I win every battle on Legendary but i really got problems with Armies slipping by, rebellion, Hero Terriorists, Money. (Depends on the Faction i play)

For starcraft. i dont have any interest in MP. So i did buy it.. played it for 2 days and deinstalled it since it was boring already.

If you think about SC1 or 2 in form of turnament Multiplayer Esports stuff. Its not really Casual.
Its a matter of the perspective i guess.

I see where you're coming from, but if we're talking "not casual" then multiplayer is usually the way to go. Humans will continue to challenge you in ways that AI simply cannot. That's why I said TW is more memory based. You're indeed right about legendary in TW being potentially harder than the hardest AI in SC2 single player for many people.

Any game with competitive multiplayer will usually be the less casual mode than the single player, though. I don't think anyone can really argue that.

[NixBoxDone]

Uh... I've never seen anybody try to argue that a game is "less casual" and point at the singleplayer. That's the ultimate of being casual because there is nothing competitive about it. Nobody will stand back in awe because you finished a singleplayer campaign with under 5 % losses, or within a certain time period.

For the sake of arguing which game is more competitive, multiplayer is a must, no? o.o

Seconding the person above me: Singleplayer is made for storytelling, introducing you to the game, and fun. It usually has a clear progression and introduces you to different units, terrain features and more and more complicated maps to get you ready for your first match against a real person.

[StarofTanuki]

Moral system is broke, after i install longer moral mode every thing fine to me, it don'T make gobline fight longer but it make goblin army come back after route and fight untill they die.

[StarofTanuki]

I suggest you should test this mod ,it don't impact your skill when go to play multiplayer.

[Tom]

The problem is unit size, and as been pointed out, the moral system. Unit size has an effect on this because of casulaties sustained, more in the unit, means it will take longer to get to that point where they run.

[SleepyNarwhalz]

引用自 >po|nt`|ockout<52Hz>.,~*：

Moral system is broke, after i install longer moral mode every thing fine to me, it don'T make gobline fight longer but it make goblin army come back after route and fight untill they die.

Why would a goblin want to fight until it died O.o

[Shandor]

引用自 SleepyNarwhalz：

引用自 >po|nt`|ockout<52Hz>.,~*：

Moral system is broke, after i install longer moral mode every thing fine to me, it don'T make gobline fight longer but it make goblin army come back after route and fight untill they die.

Why would a goblin want to fight until it died O.o

Yeah sounds very wrong to me.

Like the Farytale about the brave Goblin and the even braver Skaven! :)

[hzh]

Proper combat is so far my favourite mod that balances the combat for me. For us old Total war players, There's always the one combat mod in every release that we can't play without. Vanilla is like starcraft, unplayable for us.

[Shandor]

引用自 hzh：

Proper combat is so far my favourite mod that balances the combat for me. For us old Total war players, There's always the one combat mod in every release that we can't play without. Vanilla is like starcraft, unplayable for us.

I played all TW Except Napoleon. (just not my style) and i play TW:W without mods since the release. I tryed some.. but they all make it less Warhammer.

[Fluppyboi]

There is a mod for that

[StarofTanuki]

引用自 SleepyNarwhalz：

引用自 >po|nt`|ockout<52Hz>.,~*：

Moral system is broke, after i install longer moral mode every thing fine to me, it don'T make gobline fight longer but it make goblin army come back after route and fight untill they die.

Why would a goblin want to fight until it died O.o

引用自 Shandor：

引用自 SleepyNarwhalz：

Why would a goblin want to fight until it died O.o

Yeah sounds very wrong to me.

Like the Farytale about the brave Goblin and the even braver Skaven! :)

no no no no they still corward like before but army don't lose when they are all routing ,

[Shandor]

引用自 >po|nt`|ockout<52Hz>.,~*：

引用自 SleepyNarwhalz：

Why would a goblin want to fight until it died O.o

引用自 Shandor：

Yeah sounds very wrong to me.

Like the Farytale about the brave Goblin and the even braver Skaven! :)

no no no no they still corward like before but army don't lose when they are all routing ,

In the tabletop when a Unit is routing or dieing .. nearby Units have to do a leadship test too to see if they get the panic from the running unit or not. For some armies its not a big deal. For some armies the game could be over the first round if you didnt place your General on the right place.

Ogres are one of those armies. Shoot a Cat with a war machine in turn one an kill it.. if there are units nearby and the General on the other side of the battlefield.. well Ogres dont have a high Morale.. it could happen that the half army is running away because of this.

TW:W is much more forgiving in that matter. Image your army of goblins in running away because a Cannon killed one unit at the begining of the battle. People would go nuts :)

[StarofTanuki]

引用自 Shandor：

引用自 >po|nt`|ockout<52Hz>.,~*：

no no no no they still corward like before but army don't lose when they are all routing ,

In the tabletop when a Unit is routing or dieing .. nearby Units have to do a leadship test too to see if they get the panic from the running unit or not. For some armies its not a big deal. For some armies the game could be over the first round if you didnt place your General on the right place.

Ogres are one of those armies. Shoot a Cat with a war machine in turn one an kill it.. if there are units nearby and the General on the other side of the battlefield.. well Ogres dont have a high Morale.. it could happen that the half army is running away because of this.

TW:W is much more forgiving in that matter. Image your army of goblins in running away because a Cannon killed one unit at the begining of the battle. People would go nuts :)

They are , i usually saw gobin armies lose after 1 shoot cannon also empire garrison too.

[SunnyTimes]

Point of this discussion isnt about casual or not, i just want my battles to be memorable in any way at all, i can not remember a single battle i played honestly, even against archaon its just a blur about grimgor smacking him the face and thats it e.e casual or not idc just stop making them so fast and stop taking features out of the game for the sake of more micro managing...

And i also not having to install 6 mods to get this Total War game to be a Total War game... it feels like its just more micro management in return for less empire management and i hate it so much :L