Dwarf Runes need some serious reworking.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

I was looking at the Dwarf Runesmiths and Runelords, and their runes really suck. This is because they are so basic and don't really do anything. The second part of the Runesmith's runes are just buffs to the Runesmith himself.

At least the Runelord should have more area buffing runes or something since he's supposed to be more powerful than the regular run smiths. They should impliment something like some of the banner runes you can get as the Dwarves. That would make the Runesmiths and Runelords feel a like they can do a lot more than just some bare basic "buffs".

But the bottom line is that the Dwarf Runes need to be given a little more variety and utility. They just need to do more than the limited stuff they do now.

[Kusarigama]

Your seriously calling a -44% damage reduction PLUS -22% from the Runesmith to be weak? Those are not only to himself. Forgefire is actually pretty decent as well 8% AP damage adds 1-2 extra AP damage to a unit with 100 or so units in it is pretty huge.

I would also argue Runelords are better than any other lord besides Grombrindle because MBD is just gross as well as his blue line. Never really got to use Ungrim and I hear he can solo armies pretty well (at least a good chunk of it with Potions and being Unbreakable).

If anything Thanes and Engineers need better stuff...

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Originally posted by Kusarigama:

Your seriously calling a -44% damage reduction PLUS -22% from the Runesmith to be weak? Those are not only to himself. Forgefire is actually pretty decent as well 8% AP damage adds 1-2 extra AP damage to a unit with 100 or so units in it is pretty huge.

I would also argue Runelords are better than any other lord besides Grombrindle because MBD is just gross as well as his blue line. Never really got to use Ungrim and I hear he can solo armies pretty well (at least a good chunk of it with Potions and being Unbreakable).

If anything Thanes and Engineers need better stuff...

It's not that those runes are weak, they're no doubt very powerful, but it's the lack of other Runes that I see as the real issue.

I mean the second set of runes for Runesmith and Runelords are just dumb buffs for the character themselves, and not that great of ones to begin with. I'm just saying that at least the Rune Lord should offer some passive runes or something that make him feel more like a runelord beyond just one or two abilities.

I think that they could at least do something somewhat like the Gorbull, with a special rune or set of Runes that you can only get one of, each doing a different thing. Like one increases defense and even ends up adding armor to surrounding units.

I think that's something they should rework with all heroes and lords, and that's making them more specialized to make them feel like that kind of lord or hero and not just a ever so slightly different type of lord or hero.

[Kusarigama]

I do not think they need a rework period (Runesmiths or Runelords) for one reason they are a GENERIC Lord as well. It is not like we have Thorek Ironbrow or Kragg the Grim as LLs for example. It seems to me you want fun for SP which includes a Nuke on their backs or some of the OP GG stuff. That just is not the case for a MP centric game. If you buff one side you really need to buff the others (even then how do you actually balance it remember when Regeneration was not capped for example).

Some may argue that Total War is influenced by SP which is not the case. I forget which Patch it was but the small tweeks they made to accomidate MP (rightfully so since no one was playing Dwarfs) influenced not only Auto Resolve to the point 99% loss was a win against Greenskins but it also made Dwarfs virtually unbreakable on difficulties Hard +.

On one other note the buffs are actually pretty decent and I wish I had the numbers right now and I might edit this later but 400 Weapon Damage * 1.08= 432 Damage thats pretty decent for a 8% Weapon Damage Rune. The other runes give sizable RoI as well. I will also note that 60 armor is nothing to snuff at as well.

My point was take those Lords and heroes compared to the others. Thanes/Wight Kings are just damage sponges with no real worth. Engineer does fine but unless your fielding 10 Organ Guns in a army your missing out on an extra unit of Iron Breakers or Thunderers.

Runelords and Runesmiths are fine other things need tweeking before they need any buffs or nerfs.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Originally posted by Kusarigama:

My point was take those Lords and heroes compared to the others. Thanes/Wight Kings are just damage sponges with no real worth. Engineer does fine but unless your fielding 10 Organ Guns in a army your missing out on an extra unit of Iron Breakers or Thunderers.

Runelords and Runesmiths are fine other things need tweeking before they need any buffs or nerfs.

Well, You do somewhat have a point with them being generic lords, but only a little. When and if they add in Kragg the Grim, CA really need to rework the Runelords and smiths, or make him or Thorek Ironbrow really be vastly different from the generic Runelords.

And you're very wrong about the Thanes and Engineers.

While yes, the Engineers aren't the super greatest damage dealers themselves, they're meant to buff the ranged troops of the Dwarfs, not just the artillery. That would help a lot if you were either rolling a good number of Rangers with a Runelord or any artillery or missile infantry with any other lord.

Thanes are can very good at leading your troops into battle, especially if you kit them out properly. For instance, if you give a thane the Brass Cleaver weapon and the Master Rune of Strommi Redbeard, he will be granting a +16 melee attack bonus to units within a 40 meter radious. If you combine that with a Rune of Battle or two, especially to units like Ironbreakers, you'll have a very deadly combination.

So just trying to say that the Thane and Engineer heroes are useless is not only dumb, but shows a lack of ever having used them properly.