Which chaos guy is stronger?

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

I was thinking about the forces of chaos, and I got to thinking

Which is stronger? A Daemon Prince or a Greater Daemon of chaos?

And I mean on average, because I know that some characters in both Fantasy and 40k who are either are more powerful than your average of the two.

[White, the Loiterer]

Fluff-wise it is a case of "Depends on the Daemon Prince".

As for on average, I shall do some quick research/stat-checking.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

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Fluff-wise it is a case of "Depends on the Daemon Prince".

Elaberate please. Like if your just talking about one or the other for each of the chaos gods.

[White, the Loiterer]

This is rather speculatory, but from what little hard evidence there is you could possibly go like this:

40K: Daemon Primarch > Space Marine Daemon Prince > Greater Daemon > Daemon Prince.

Fantasy: Greater Daemon is better on average.

[SleepyNarwhalz]

Greater Daemons in fantasy are better than Daemon Princes, as a general rule. Unless granted some special privilege they'll also usually be forced to give up any Daemonic troops they have to a Greater Daemon, if one comes along. They do have the advantage of being much more buddy buddy with Chaos Warriors though, so it's no unusual to see a Daemon Prince with his own mortal worshippers.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

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This is rather speculatory, but from what little hard evidence there is you could possibly go like this:

40K: Daemon Primarch > Space Marine Daemon Prince > Greater Daemon > Daemon Prince.

Fantasy: Greater Daemon is better on average.

So a Space Marine Daemon Princes is more powerful thatn on who was a "mortal"? That seems dumb.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

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Greater Daemons in fantasy are better than Daemon Princes, as a general rule. Unless granted some special privilege they'll also usually be forced to give up any Daemonic troops they have to a Greater Daemon, if one comes along. They do have the advantage of being much more buddy buddy with Chaos Warriors though, so it's no unusual to see a Daemon Prince with his own mortal worshippers.

I've heard that in 40k some of the greater daemons of chaos, espcieally Khorne's were able to nearly wipe out whole armies with their powerful strikes. How powerful are they supposed to be in Fantasy?

[p30pl3h4t3m3]

depends on the gifts of the gods.

[p30pl3h4t3m3]

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This is rather speculatory, but from what little hard evidence there is you could possibly go like this:

40K: Daemon Primarch > Space Marine Daemon Prince > Greater Daemon > Daemon Prince.

Fantasy: Greater Daemon is better on average.

So a Space Marine Daemon Princes is more powerful thatn on who was a "mortal"? That seems dumb.

daemon princes are uplifted mortals become immortal, greater daemons are made by the gods...

a demon primarch btw is nothing else like a daemon prince, he is only special cause he was one of the first (20 overall) space marines (primarchs) the emperor created.

[p30pl3h4t3m3]

archaeon was a mortal and is more or less a daemon prince (champion of all gods, three eyed king, the everchoosen, lord of endtimes and so on) and i would not say he is weaker than a great demon.

so i repeat myself: it depends on the gifts of the gods.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

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So a Space Marine Daemon Princes is more powerful thatn on who was a "mortal"? That seems dumb.

daemon princes are uplifted mortals become immortal, greater daemons are made by the gods...

a demon primarch btw is nothing else like a daemon prince, he is only special cause he was one of the first (20 overall) space marines (primarchs) the emperor created.

Well a daemon primarch must be more powerful than a regular daemon prince, since Agron is supposed to have at his command a "bodyguard" of 12 of the most powerful Bloodthirsters

[p30pl3h4t3m3]

primarchs were nearly perfect space marines, but over time the seed become flawed, that's why all space marines chapters have different traits. a perfect corrupted space marine is better than a more faulty corrupted space marine for sure.

but if the gods choose to gift chubbyninja89 more powerfull than a daemon primarch than chubbyninja89 could even become stronger than a primarch.

[Mactalon]

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daemon princes are uplifted mortals become immortal, greater daemons are made by the gods...

a demon primarch btw is nothing else like a daemon prince, he is only special cause he was one of the first (20 overall) space marines (primarchs) the emperor created.

Well a daemon primarch must be more powerful than a regular daemon prince, since Agron is supposed to have at his command a "bodyguard" of 12 of the most powerful Bloodthirsters

It's pretty much as the guy said above in that it depends on the individual a lot of the time. The Daemon Primarchs generally outclass most of the others but then there's Greater Daemons like An'ggrath who are meant to be their equal, more or less.

There's not an exact hierarchy so it's kinda wibbly across both Fantasy and 40k. There's guys like Archaon who aren't daemons but have the strength to take out Greater Daemons, then there's Daemon Princes who are strong like Sindri but get smushed quickly because the gods find it funny.

Plot armour is often a determining factor, and whether characters are liked or not which doesn't help with the wibbly nature.

As to the Space Marine DP vs a mortal becoming a DP, it's actually not that dumb just when you think about their starting points as a thing. It's sort of like if you magically enhance a kitten up to be super powerful, it's still strong, but you put that same power into a raptor and you've got something scarier. Again, it still falls under the realm of "what the plot needs" most of the time, so there's no exact science on it. When it comes to the actual stories though you're generally best off supporting a Daemon Primarch since they usually outlive everything else as main characters.

[Sultschiem]

Depends on the Greater Daemon and the Daemon Prince.

Example: Gotrek from Gotrek and Felix banished an ancient Bloodthirster in Karak Dum BARELY surviving the whole thing and only because Felix helped him by distracting the Bloodthirster.

Later Gotrek fought a greater Daemon of Slaanesh and made him/her flee in terror completely on his own.

Greater Daemons have a pretty large scale here and so is their power.
They also can be quiet situational, a Tzeentch greater Daemon might be unstopable in most occasions but lose against a Khorne Daemon Prince that got a special gift of khorne, making him immune to magic.

GENERALLY SPEAKING however, a great daemon should be stronger, because of their age and experience. Greater Daemons can be millenias old.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

That's a kinda interesting guys.

But I do have to say, how all over the place it is is pretty dumb. Like I said before, I had heard that when Skarbrand was manipulated into attacking Khorne, that the blow was so powerful, it would've destroyed an entire army.

[p30pl3h4t3m3]

... and ? in real life there are lots of (historical) stories and legends and people telling this stories & love to exaggerate. why do you think in warhammer(40k) lore it is different ?

and if you talk about skarbrand, you talk about demons, chaos and the warp. these are different rules. if demons & gods go into battle, they destroy not only armys with one blow. how about destroying a planet or solar system with one blow... fck it, lets destroy a whole universe...