5+ dwarf campaign never used longbeards

[Jaeger]

Dwarf warriors are more cost effective while I'm building my clan. Never used longbeards. Their stats and price never seemed worth it. Especially with lord traits that give 10 to attack and defense on warriors. Am I overlooking something

[gachi is manly]

I also don't bother much with Longbeards besides the RoR one. The RoR one is great for the vigor aura buff.

Usually Warriors suffice until I can start replacing them with top tier infantry. I also don't need the extra LDR boost they give since I usually have enough characters to cover my whole army in the LDR buff radius anyways.

[StarofTanuki]

Why i need my royal troop when my enemy are suck .

[Zorlond]

The thing about the high-tier units is they're not actually intended to be used en masse. For Undead, for instance, if I'm going to use Terrorgeists, I'm only going to have one per army. Then it's just a case of putting it in just the right crowded spot to maximize it's impact, cause a local collapse of the enemy army, and snowball that into a victory. More just makes the army super expensive, leading to weakening other armies and half-baked defense of my strategic flanks.

With Dwarves, yeah, have a couple Longbeards. But don't make a wall of them. Aura buffs don't stack, so just put them where your leaders and heroes aren't. Ironbreakers can make an unbreakable line, but more than two or three of them is just excessive. Get some other units that can go for flanking runs while the Ironbreakers hold things. Even Miners can be absolutely brutal if they're getting the enemy in the middle of a dwarf sandwich.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Publicado originalmente por Zorlond:

The thing about the high-tier units is they're not actually intended to be used en masse. For Undead, for instance, if I'm going to use Terrorgeists, I'm only going to have one per army. Then it's just a case of putting it in just the right crowded spot to maximize it's impact, cause a local collapse of the enemy army, and snowball that into a victory. More just makes the army super expensive, leading to weakening other armies and half-baked defense of my strategic flanks.

With Dwarves, yeah, have a couple Longbeards. But don't make a wall of them. Aura buffs don't stack, so just put them where your leaders and heroes aren't. Ironbreakers can make an unbreakable line, but more than two or three of them is just excessive. Get some other units that can go for flanking runs while the Ironbreakers hold things. Even Miners can be absolutely brutal if they're getting the enemy in the middle of a dwarf sandwich.

By mid-late game, upgraded longbeards (once researched, they become much stronger than dwarf warriors, and general skills also add massive buffs) are my main-line unit, just like how in every campaign the early game 'elite' units become the late game 'standard' units. For me, in the lategame ironbreakers are the elite and I can't recruit them en masse, but longbeards are relatively cheap and are great at holding the line against Chaos, Vampires, beastmen, etc (by mid-late game orcs are not to be worried about)

[Wyvern]

People keep talking about the lack of use for the encouragement on longbeards and how little of an upgrade their hard stats are(which isnt entirely true either, but still), and yet theyre forgetting the psychological immunity. Watching your horde of dwarf warriors and miners scamper off in terror because kholek barged into them is frustrating as all hell on legendary, longbeards hold the line when other units fail to do so and do it at a reallly cheap cost(only 200 more expensive than warriors with slightly higher upkeep, theyre dirt cheap for a psychological immunity, decent stat infantry)

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Publicado originalmente por Wyvern:

People keep talking about the lack of use for the encouragement on longbeards and how little of an upgrade their hard stats are(which isnt entirely true either, but still), and yet theyre forgetting the psychological immunity. Watching your horde of dwarf warriors and miners scamper off in terror because kholek barged into them is frustrating as all hell on legendary, longbeards hold the line when other units fail to do so and do it at a reallly cheap cost(only 200 more expensive than warriors with slightly higher upkeep, theyre dirt cheap for a psychological immunity, decent stat infantry)

Exactly

[SleepyNarwhalz]

Longbeards are meant to be taken to complement your regular Dwarf army, due to their immune to psych and the leadership buff. Early game two of those mixed into your regular Dwarf line can help a lot.

[StarofTanuki]

Publicado originalmente por THEDOSSBOSS:

Publicado originalmente por Wyvern:

People keep talking about the lack of use for the encouragement on longbeards and how little of an upgrade their hard stats are(which isnt entirely true either, but still), and yet theyre forgetting the psychological immunity. Watching your horde of dwarf warriors and miners scamper off in terror because kholek barged into them is frustrating as all hell on legendary, longbeards hold the line when other units fail to do so and do it at a reallly cheap cost(only 200 more expensive than warriors with slightly higher upkeep, theyre dirt cheap for a psychological immunity, decent stat infantry)

Exactly

Why i need to use Longbread when i can afford 5-7 army of Ironbreaker mix Hammere before Chaos arrive ? If you don't do something wrong you should afford too .

[Locklave]

They aren't worth it until late game when you have piles of gold, even then getting more then 2 is wasteful. They are basically an optional stand in for a hero if you prefer troops without special management issues.

They are worth it for the extra leadership on those extra brutal battles. The rest of the time they are just a waste of gold, Dwarf moral is already stupidly high.

edit:

Better to have a second army then 1 army of all Longbeards.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Publicado originalmente por >po|nt`|ockout<52Hz>.,~*:

Publicado originalmente por THEDOSSBOSS:

Exactly

Why i need to use Longbread when i can afford 5-7 army of Ironbreaker mix Hammere before Chaos arrive ? If you don't do something wrong you should afford too .

What difficulty, don't lie

[StarofTanuki]

Publicado originalmente por THEDOSSBOSS:

Publicado originalmente por >po|nt`|ockout<52Hz>.,~*:

Why i need to use Longbread when i can afford 5-7 army of Ironbreaker mix Hammere before Chaos arrive ? If you don't do something wrong you should afford too .

What difficulty, don't lie

you can do in every difficult Dwrf to to easy.

[Locklave]

Publicado originalmente por THEDOSSBOSS:

Publicado originalmente por >po|nt`|ockout<52Hz>.,~*:

Why i need to use Longbread when i can afford 5-7 army of Ironbreaker mix Hammere before Chaos arrive ? If you don't do something wrong you should afford too .

What difficulty, don't lie

The fact that he's even saying Hammerers makes me question everything he's saying or could say.

edit:
Hammerers are super costly while filling their job role poorly compared to more flexable units.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Publicado originalmente por >po|nt`|ockout<52Hz>.,~*:

Publicado originalmente por THEDOSSBOSS:

What difficulty, don't lie

you can do in every difficult Dwrf to to easy.

What difficulty do you do your ironbreaker spam on? I don't care what I can do, I'm asking what you do

[SleepyNarwhalz]

Publicado originalmente por Locklave:

Publicado originalmente por THEDOSSBOSS:

What difficulty, don't lie

The fact that he's even saying Hammerers makes me question everything he's saying or could say.

Why wouldn't he take hammerers when going off to face Chaos?

[StarofTanuki]

Publicado originalmente por THEDOSSBOSS:

Publicado originalmente por >po|nt`|ockout<52Hz>.,~*:

you can do in every difficult Dwrf to to easy.

What difficulty do you do your ironbreaker spam on? I don't care what I can do, I'm asking what you do

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