can we nerf the damn skin wolves a bit?

[DrwHem]

I just got my ass handed to me by 600 norcans and i am fielding 5 greatswords, 4 halberdiers, 2 rockets, 1 cannon, 1 demigriph knight, 1 reiskguard, 2 knights,2 crossbows, a fire wizard, and a high level franz.
I cut through the mammoth and ice giant just fine. I dealth with the skirmish cavalry and chariots just fine. they had a total of 60 skin wolves which got at least 200 kills each. I couldnt break them with a 4 on 1 rear charge. i couldnt hold them off with my buffed halberdiers. i couldnt kill any with crossbows. WTF are these stupid things?

[THEDOSSBOSS]

that was probably a glitch, they should fall pretty easy to all those

[Pimpin Pippin]

they are wolves with skin.
the skin wolves.
of course you lost.
it is as it should be.
lol.

[The Hat]

Originally posted by DrwHem:

I just got my♥♥♥♥♥handed to me by 600 norcans and i am fielding 5 greatswords, 4 halberdiers, 2 rockets, 1 cannon, 1 demigriph knight, 1 reiskguard, 2 knights,2 crossbows, a fire wizard, and a high level franz.
I cut through the mammoth and ice giant just fine. I dealth with the skirmish cavalry and chariots just fine. they had a total of 60 skin wolves which got at least 200 kills each. I couldnt break them with a 4 on 1 rear charge. i couldnt hold them off with my buffed halberdiers. i couldnt kill any with crossbows. WTF are these stupid things?

Large vs them is a bad matchup.
Crossbows vs the armored variety is a bad match.

They are things you throw heavy infantry into.
The unarmed you hit with crossbows, the armored with handgunners.
I haven't tried halberdiers but I don't see why one on one they wouldn't stomp them, anti large infantry should beat them easy enough. It sounds like you were cavalry heavy which is a bad match up vs norsca with their cheap javelins, and their skin wolves.

But you are right to point out they are their strongest unit ;), everyone going on about mammoths when you can melt mammoths with ranged units, yet skin wolves are not only fast but much smaller to hit.

[Emmental]

Skin Wolves aren't large.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Originally posted by Dave:

Skin Wolves aren't large.

Anything larger than infantry is considered large. Calvary, monstrous infantry, monsters, etc. Skin wolves with armor are basically like demigryphs with halberds and yeah, they're large

[Kushko]

Originally posted by Dave:

Skin Wolves aren't large.

CA confirmed skin wolves are large when it comes to anti large penalties.

As for the OP, like The Hat said, you threw units that they counter at them and got destroyed. As for helberdiers, ill assume you either had them way outnumbered or used wrong, since they should be able to beat skin wolves or at least give them a hell of a fight.

[Shandor]

Originally posted by DrwHem:

I just got my♥♥♥♥♥handed to me by 600 norcans and i am fielding 5 greatswords, 4 halberdiers, 2 rockets, 1 cannon, 1 demigriph knight, 1 reiskguard, 2 knights,2 crossbows, a fire wizard, and a high level franz.
I cut through the mammoth and ice giant just fine. I dealth with the skirmish cavalry and chariots just fine. they had a total of 60 skin wolves which got at least 200 kills each. I couldnt break them with a 4 on 1 rear charge. i couldnt hold them off with my buffed halberdiers. i couldnt kill any with crossbows. WTF are these stupid things?

Well the Armored Skinwolves are a High Tier Unit and really strong. Much stronger then a Giant.
Wount it be a bit boring if you could kill everything "just fine"?

[Emmental]

Originally posted by Kushko:

Originally posted by Dave:

Skin Wolves aren't large.

CA confirmed skin wolves are large when it comes to anti large penalties.

As for the OP, like The Hat said, you threw units that they counter at them and got destroyed. As for helberdiers, ill assume you either had them way outnumbered or used wrong, since they should be able to beat skin wolves or at least give them a hell of a fight.

Something is wrong then because skin wolves slaughter anti large units like any other. They act like fast infantry.

[MothraNaiad]

I also think the skin wolves are the Norscan's strongest unit. Probably made more so in MP, where people may not know they are powerful anti-large shredding machines.

[TVMAN]

Skin wolves are really dangerous. They're good against practically everything and have incredible mobility. If they're on the field, you need to keep tabs on them at all times and try to trap them with your halberdiers. If you let them escape and get into contact with your greatswords or cavalry, they're going to wreck house.

I love the skin wolves, but they see almost too good considering the cost and they could probably afford to be reigned in a bit.

[The Hat]

Originally posted by Dave:

Originally posted by Kushko:

CA confirmed skin wolves are large when it comes to anti large penalties.

As for the OP, like The Hat said, you threw units that they counter at them and got destroyed. As for helberdiers, ill assume you either had them way outnumbered or used wrong, since they should be able to beat skin wolves or at least give them a hell of a fight.

Something is wrong then because skin wolves slaughter anti large units like any other. They act like fast infantry.

Okay well I just tested this with both armored and unarmed.

Empire 5 Halberdiers vs 4 Unarmed Skin Wolves
1 Empire Generic Lord. 1 Norsca Generic Lord no abilities on either. Which still gives the empire +300 gold to spend but its close enough to even.

Empire won without too much fuss.

4 Armored Skin Wolves vs 6 Empire Halberdiers.
Same Lord setup, an easier win for the empire but one of their units still broke.

Now if skin wolves get off a flanking charge or a rear charge I can see them beating halberdiers 1 on 1, some of these battles from the front were close but halberds cost 650 and skin wolves either 900 or 1050 depending which you bring.

They have a frenzy ability which means while their leadership is high damage is up, so you want to hit them with ranged to lower their leadership before they engage.

Overall a strong unit though skin wolves, if you play them right you want to be hitting in the rear or flank, for their cost very tempting over mammoths.

[Shandor]

Originally posted by TVMAN:

Skin wolves are really dangerous. They're good against practically everything and have incredible mobility. If they're on the field, you need to keep tabs on them at all times and try to trap them with your halberdiers. If you let them escape and get into contact with your greatswords or cavalry, they're going to wreck house.

I love the skin wolves, but they see almost too good considering the cost and they could probably afford to be reigned in a bit.

Well in my main army the Armored Skinwolves are the first Unit that dies in a battle if all Units enter the fight the same time. I will not say they are Bad. They are Amazing! But they are defently killable. My Army is mostly made of 4 Flying Units (Manticore and Wyrms) 5 Skinwolves, 5 Fimir 2H, Mammuths, Lord, 2 Heroes, and some Frost Trolls.
The Skinwolves die first in this army the trolls 2nd.

[Wyvern]

The unarmored variant is losing to a lot of large units already, and handily at that, the armored variant is barely winning to shock cav as is. The only variant of skin wolf that is a must pick/awesome in MP is the regiment of renown one with its AP. Theyre stupidly susceptible to skirmish units and if you can soak up the charge, units like dryads that do magic damage will absolutely shrek common skin wolves. My suspicion is that the only reason people think skin wolves are OP is because they don't know how to counter them and allow them to get favorable matchups. Werekin are honestly a lot more cost effective than skin wolves.