Fighting Dwarfs as Elves is broken.

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You can't win it You cant....

[SleepyNarwhalz]

Kinda suprised no one has mentioned the Dwarf magical resistance yet, since that's really what makes them so good against WEs

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Originally posted by SleepyNarwhalz:

Kinda suprised no one has mentioned the Dwarf magical resistance yet, since that's really what makes them so good against WEs

Common knowledge, everyone knows about it. Unless they r too blind to see the runelord spam in most encounters, then again ppl r stupid as it is, some evn suggest hammerers

[StarofTanuki]

line 5 Etheral guard go to suidcide , place 2 Wildwood ranger behind them for support .

send wardancer (spear) and Wild rider to kill range unit .

move all archer to flank position and shot them from rear side.

do every step in same time

win

[SoulbreakerDHCC]

Glade riders, hawk riders and anything that moves quickly is your friend against the dwarves. Few factions can slug it out with the dwarves. Even playing as the Empire (who have better artillery IMO) is a pain.

[Shandor]

Originally posted by >po|nt`|ockout<52Hz>.,~*:

line 5 Etheral guard go to suidcide , place 2 Wildwood ranger behind them for support .

send wardancer (spear) and Wild rider to kill range unit .

move all archer to flank position and shot them from rear side.

do every step in same time

win

Someone really use Elven Infantry when he is playing Woodelves? Trees are so much better in any way. Elves are good if they hold a bow to spamm Poison debuff, as Cav or on a Hawk in my opinion.

But anyways.. They got the 2nd best Cav in the Game so far. Make use of it.

[Wyvern]

Originally posted by Shandor:

Originally posted by >po|nt`|ockout<52Hz>.,~*:

line 5 Etheral guard go to suidcide , place 2 Wildwood ranger behind them for support .

send wardancer (spear) and Wild rider to kill range unit .

move all archer to flank position and shot them from rear side.

do every step in same time

win

Someone really use Elven Infantry when he is playing Woodelves? Trees are so much better in any way. Elves are good if they hold a bow to spamm Poison debuff, as Cav or on a Hawk in my opinion.

But anyways.. They got the 2nd best Cav in the Game so far. Make use of it.

Wood elf infantry is really good and whether to use them or tree units is very dependent on strategy and enemies, the only kinda meh ones are vanilla wardancers.
Plus there are quite a few targets trees are either not that good, or flat out terrible against. They're vulnerable to fire, none of them have good AP, they do magic damage, which means both your treekin and dryads, (who have low alpha or low AP to begin with) in particular will do terrible against something like dwarves(on the flip side they'll do very well vs savage orcs or ethereal units). Eternal Guard is just a main-stay never breaks infantry unit, wardancers are a flanker and squishy unit melter, wardancers with spears can flank, butcher large units and back up your cavalry in some situations, because their mobility is ridiculous, and finally wildwood rangers are just an anti-everything infantry that will do extra well if you can drag a fight into the forest.

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Originally posted by Chemicalbacon:

Originally posted by |FTG| Gattsu:

Two Dwarf players sot back bejind arty and ranged. They corner up and have a perfect lined formation.. You cant break it. Frontally its impossible, Dwarf armor is too high for WE archers to even do anything, besides they have so many ranged units to shoot your WE archers to bits. Your large creatures are raped too by slayers.. Again. You can't win. WE are a glass Canon, they're useless against Dwarfs

You can't frontally assault a top tier frontline faction.
I wonder why...?

Use wild riders, treemen and waywatchers to outflank them. Dwarfs have no calvary and have low movement speed. Make a circle around them and tighten the noose. Easy.

Good luck with getting cav or your own archers anywhere near to flank when they're camping behind a stack of Grudge Throwers and Quallerers lol. With Slayers behind those. And Attacking frontally is pointless with elven infantry..

[ChemicalBacon]

Originally posted by |FTG| Gattsu:

Originally posted by Chemicalbacon:

You can't frontally assault a top tier frontline faction.
I wonder why...?

Use wild riders, treemen and waywatchers to outflank them. Dwarfs have no calvary and have low movement speed. Make a circle around them and tighten the noose. Easy.

Good luck with getting cav or your own archers anywhere near to flank when they're camping behind a stack of Grudge Throwers and Quallerers lol. With Slayers behind those. And Attacking frontally is pointless with elven infantry..

They can't completely surround their artillery anyway. If they do then they're going to get boxed in quickly.

Also Glade guard/waywatchers make short work of dwarves because they can fire while concealed.

Basic tactics

[Wyvern]

Originally posted by |FTG| Gattsu:

Originally posted by Chemicalbacon:

You can't frontally assault a top tier frontline faction.
I wonder why...?

Use wild riders, treemen and waywatchers to outflank them. Dwarfs have no calvary and have low movement speed. Make a circle around them and tighten the noose. Easy.

Good luck with getting cav or your own archers anywhere near to flank when they're camping behind a stack of Grudge Throwers and Quallerers lol. With Slayers behind those. And Attacking frontally is pointless with elven infantry..

Archers, I will agree, can be a bit pointless vs dwarves, since quarrelers are one of the best anti-skirmish skirmishers in the game. That said, wood elf infantry is incredibly potent and there's plenty of youtube videos showing people pull off frontal assaults with wild riders back dooring vs dwarves. Slayers might be anti large and fast for dwarves, but they're still slower than cav and have no mass or density to stop their charge. It also seems that Orion has a bit of a niche use vs dwarves in MP, since he brings unbreakable, good melee, decent ranged and lots of disruption.

@Chemicalbacon, they can't fire while concealed, especially not glade guard, who can't even stalk to begin with. Plus, most dwarf units have shields which shut down ranged weapons pretty hard.

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Originally posted by Wyvern2:

Originally posted by |FTG| Gattsu:

Good luck with getting cav or your own archers anywhere near to flank when they're camping behind a stack of Grudge Throwers and Quallerers lol. With Slayers behind those. And Attacking frontally is pointless with elven infantry..

Archers, I will agree, can be a bit pointless vs dwarves, since quarrelers are one of the best anti-skirmish skirmishers in the game. That said, wood elf infantry is incredibly potent and there's plenty of youtube videos showing people pull off frontal assaults with wild riders back dooring vs dwarves. Slayers might be anti large and fast for dwarves, but they're still slower than cav and have no mass or density to stop their charge. It also seems that Orion has a bit of a niche use vs dwarves in MP, since he brings unbreakable, good melee, decent ranged and lots of disruption.

That's why i'm stuck with Elves vs Dawi.. I honestly can't think of a good setup on large funds to counter them..

[The Hat]

Here is a video about the topic. Offering some tips and sympathy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_fU2iGWgxA

Here is a more recent one where its really close, for visual tips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZb9gB670wc

[Harukage]

Originally posted by Wyvern2:

@Chemicalbacon, they can't fire while concealed, especially not glade guard, who can't even stalk to begin with. Plus, most dwarf units have shields which shut down ranged weapons pretty hard.

He meant deepwood scouts and waywatchers. And yeah, big news, waywatchers CAN fire while been invisible, that is what they do. They also stalk and have high AP damage, they nasicaly counter dwarf infantry in any way. Scouts can't but they still can stalk and are cheaper and can come with poisoned arrows.

[ChemicalBacon]

Originally posted by Harukage:

Originally posted by Wyvern2:

@Chemicalbacon, they can't fire while concealed, especially not glade guard, who can't even stalk to begin with. Plus, most dwarf units have shields which shut down ranged weapons pretty hard.

He meant deepwood scouts and waywatchers. And yeah, big news, waywatchers CAN fire while been invisible, that is what they do. They also stalk and have hiogh AP damage, the nasicaly counter dwarf infantry in any way. Scouts can't but they still can stalk and are cheaper and can come with poisoned arrows.

Yes, thank you. I get them mixed up a lot.

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Yeah but at 1100g you can't exactly spam them without having to lose out on melee infantry in your army

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Kinda looking more forward anyhow to the high elves and Dark elves.. I love elves in Fantasy stuff. But Wood Elves lack armor and stff for my personal taste lol