TW: A song of Ice and Fire.

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This needs to be a thing.

[Ysthrall]

(This thread again? What's the date... 16th. Ho hum, about due....)

I've read the books. Watched the show. Ive read the Guide. I still say no. Maybe an Attila mod using the whole of Westeros + Essos (quite a few small states out there, and a few reasonable sized empires). And it has had some very messy times (Century of Blood, just after the fall of Valyria, for example). But it still doesn't feel quite right. I mean, it's definately a contender, and if I listed 10 settings for a fantasy TW, it'd be in there. But not with any real urgency.

As mentioned, diplomacy and family trees would need to be heavily upgraded. And there are others I'd like to see first.

What, The Mad Villain, do you think of these:

Middle Earth: The Wars of Beleriand (The Silmarillion, effectively)

The Malazan Book of the Fallen

The Wheel of Time.

That last is my personal preference, given the heroes, magics, troops, magic items, swarms of feuding nations, random invasion events and in some cases, massively overpowered generals.

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Originally posted by Voxrox:

Originally posted by The Mad Villain:

You also have to remember variety isn't everything, shogun 2 is considered one of the best TW games and every faction had just 1 unique unit which was just the same unit with slightly better stats

And for me Shogun 2 is probably the most boring TW for that reason (and the setting of course)

I think such a mod for Asoiaf would be better suited for Attila (the gritty realism fits better than Warhammers comic-style imho, + the family-system is ESSENTIAL for a good Asoiaf-game ^^)- and they already made one, though as the campaign map is not moddable it is multiplayer-only anyway.

I'm not looking for a mod but a whole new game. A game in which they would be able to tailor the diplomacy and other details to more reflect the intrigue and magic of the world

Originally posted by Ysthrall:

(This thread again? What's the date... 16th. Ho hum, about due....)

I've read the books. Watched the show. Ive read the Guide. I still say no. Maybe an Attila mod using the whole of Westeros + Essos (quite a few small states out there, and a few reasonable sized empires). And it has had some very messy times (Century of Blood, just after the fall of Valyria, for example). But it still doesn't feel quite right. I mean, it's definately a contender, and if I listed 10 settings for a fantasy TW, it'd be in there. But not with any real urgency.

As mentioned, diplomacy and family trees would need to be heavily upgraded. And there are others I'd like to see first.

What, The Mad Villain, do you think of these:

Middle Earth: The Wars of Beleriand (The Silmarillion, effectively)

The Malazan Book of the Fallen

The Wheel of Time.

That last is my personal preference, given the heroes, magics, troops, magic items, swarms of feuding nations, random invasion events and in some cases, massively overpowered generals.

Never read any of these books - so I would prefer not to comment on them.
All but the Middle Earth one I had to google to even see who they are written by for example. The ME Novel I'm guessing is about the 1st era and the Elves. Which was published by his Son I believe and not J.R.R himself.

Most seem high fantasy which is fine but we already have the medieval mod, plus the Lotr mod they are working on for Attila or RomeII (forget which one). And yes I chose ASoIaF because it takes a more realistic aproach to the fantasy genre. I don't need orcs or elves or a giant flaming soul eye that controls them, I'm sorry. But hey ASoIaF atleast has dwarfs (And I don't mean Tyrion and people of his features)

And yes I didn't mean just Westeros which is why I refrained from calling the forum TW: Westeros.
I mean for them to use all of the current known world as the maps base. atleast up to the jade sea. Either done with one large map or perhaps Empires route - with Large but sectioned off pieces of the world.

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Oh and for the gentlemen who wanted a new LotR mod https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkutgxfyHsY

[Ysthrall]

The Mad Villain:

Fair enough. If you want grim and gritty fantasy seting then yes, ASoIaF is a good bet, or possibly something by Joe Abercrombie. Westeros, Essos to just beyond Yun Ti, and the north coast of Sothyros makes a pretty good size map :)

"But hey ASoIaF atleast has dwarfs (And I don't mean Tyrion and people of his features)"

Really? Where? I don't recall any real mention of those. Giants, Dragons (including Ice Dragons), Children of the Forest, and the Others. Several crazy cthuloid monstrosities, Things in the deep places, disturbing cults, and travellers tales, but no dwarfs beyond human midgets. Amusing observations, GRRM cannot really put "here be dragons" in the corner of a map, as too many will go looking for them :)

[M1cK3Y f1nN]

Originally posted by Loki:

Total war just doesn't do enough justice to diplomacy to make it any good. Great setting though, but when comparing it to warhammer for battles and unit variety, it falls short.

Agree here, diplomacy needs a major rework from CA, at the moment its seems like just another mechanism to cover for a bad scale interms of difficulty at the higher levels. But is also very shallow.

Would also need a much deeper family history/mechanic to really capture the real feeling of westeros. Would love to see it done justice in the future though.

[Deadwood_Ken]

I would buy ASOIAF Game, though if they did another established universe Wheel of Time would be my pick as well.

[Skarath]

Games like mount and blade and crusader kings are a better setting for westeros and essos. There is enough major and minor factions with a decent variety of units and territory to justify the game in total war, but it will lose the political intrigue that makes it so unique due to total wars poor diplomacy.

[SleepyNarwhalz]

Pass, thanks. A Song of Ice and Fire is all about politcal intrigue, focused more on the individuals rather then on the grand scale. It certainly does have huge battles but IMO other fantasy worlds are much better suited for a TW game.

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Originally posted by Ysthrall:

The Mad Villain:

Fair enough. If you want grim and gritty fantasy seting then yes, ASoIaF is a good bet, or possibly something by Joe Abercrombie. Westeros, Essos to just beyond Yun Ti, and the north coast of Sothyros makes a pretty good size map :)

"But hey ASoIaF atleast has dwarfs (And I don't mean Tyrion and people of his features)"

Really? Where? I don't recall any real mention of those. Giants, Dragons (including Ice Dragons), Children of the Forest, and the Others. Several crazy cthuloid monstrosities, Things in the deep places, disturbing cults, and travellers tales, but no dwarfs beyond human midgets. Amusing observations, GRRM cannot really put "here be dragons" in the corner of a map, as too many will go looking for them :)

They live on Ibben the island above the large forest north of the dothraki sea. They are depicted as short, hairy, stalky men and women.
I believe Euron Greyjoy has or had a few on his Silence. They couldn't speak however due to Euron's Company policy of no tounge's on deck.

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They aren't officialy labled dwarfs just Ibben men. But share the same characteristics and the men are known for growing long beards due to the colder climate of the location.

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and fun fact apparantly to the uncharted lands to the south Dinosaur-esq wingless dragons are rumoured to roam there. Sooo TW Jurassic park anyone?

[Ysthrall]

(goes and checks his copy of the Guide)....

hmmm.... I can see your point.
"The Ibbenese stand apart from the other races of mankind. They are a heavy people, broad about the chest and shoulders, but seldom standing more than five and a half feet in height, with thick short legs and long arms."

"skilled craftsmen, able hunters and trackers, and doughty warriors. They are the most hirsute people in the known world".

"Though the men of Ib can father children upon the women of Westeros and other lands, the products of such unions are often malformed and inevitably sterile, in the manner of mules. Ibbenese females, when mated with men from other races, bring forth naught but stillbirths and monstrosities."

While they strike me more as a race of men, closer to Neanderthals than ♥♥♥♥ sapiens in appearance, I can see that they could easily be good stand-ins for dwarfs. The inability to hybridise with humans does suggest a different species....

Given the attitude of GRRM to his setting and races, and disinclination to have any of the usual fantasy menagerie beyond the dragons, I don't know if he was aiming for seafaring northern dwarfs, or if he just started with hairy sub-human seafarers and ran with it.

But yeah, if you were looking for dwarfs in the setting, they're probably the closest thing....

[Montagnard]

Originally posted by Ysthrall:

(This thread again? What's the date... 16th. Ho hum, about due....)

I've read the books. Watched the show. Ive read the Guide. I still say no. Maybe an Attila mod using the whole of Westeros + Essos (quite a few small states out there, and a few reasonable sized empires). And it has had some very messy times (Century of Blood, just after the fall of Valyria, for example). But it still doesn't feel quite right. I mean, it's definately a contender, and if I listed 10 settings for a fantasy TW, it'd be in there. But not with any real urgency.

As mentioned, diplomacy and family trees would need to be heavily upgraded. And there are others I'd like to see first.

What, The Mad Villain, do you think of these:

Middle Earth: The Wars of Beleriand (The Silmarillion, effectively)

The Malazan Book of the Fallen

The Wheel of Time.

That last is my personal preference, given the heroes, magics, troops, magic items, swarms of feuding nations, random invasion events and in some cases, massively overpowered generals.

You lost me with the first 90% then you had me with "The Wheel" then you blew me with "of Time". WoT gets my vote.

[Jack Deth]

Not my cup of tea. I would personally love to see a Total Wa: Mythology game though. Different civilizations with different gods and myth units (sort of like AoM).

But I support your idea 100% just because I know a lot of people enjoy the Game of Thrones thing (that is what TC is referencing right? ).

[Rope Man]

Originally posted by ТОТЕНХЁРТ BOLSHE YOBA:

No. It is cancer that should be banned from printing and TV alike. Period.

I agree, I read the first three books hoping it would get better but Georgy boy is a cringe factory.
Some of it felt like a 14 year old wrote it.