Why is chaos warior DLC so hated?

[Brechnor]

What is wrong with the chaos to have a mostly negative tag? The other dlc's have mixed and mostly pos. which for steam review trolling can still be good, but this is the only one with the extreme negative one.

Is there a reason broken machanics and imbalance, or is it ethical reasons because it was in the base game already or something?

I have to say i'm quite interested in the idea of getting an army of dark warriors swooping over the land and burning everything up.

[JDJohnson]

I'm not sure if this is correct or not, but it could be because it was free for those that pre-ordered the game. People that didn't pre-order had to pay for it.

[LupusItIs!]

Yes, people were pretty upset about the preorder thing. I don't think there's anything else to it.

[Sargeist]

Because Chaos is one of the main factions in Warhammer and they made it preorder DLC, or some would say, cut content.

Gameplay wise, their horde mechanic isnt too popular either.

[Brechnor]

Originally posted by Ahriman:

Because Chaos is one of the main factions in Warhammer and they made it preorder DLC, or some would say, cut content.

Gameplay wise, their horde mechanic isnt too popular either.

ah, does unpopular = bad in this case?

[JDJohnson]

If you like the horde mechanic, people say Beastmen are done better. You have to try them to see if you like them. I haven't bought them simply because I haven't. I like the idea of them though.

[goka9696]

1-Chaos is overall worse than Beastmen in every possible way.

2-They were preorder dlc

3-In combination with 2, Chaos is one of the main factions in Warhammer series. It's like making a Warcraft game and locking out Orcs or Humans. It's especially bad since Chaos was already in the game at time of release.

[Sagranda]

The initial plan was to not have the Warriors of Chaos as a playable faction at all in the first game, but only as the "big end boss".
The outrage and demand to have them in though was pretty big, so they scrambled a faction together in the last minute and made them a "pre-order bonus", as well as free for all who purchased during the first week after release.

Now people were mad that they had to pay for them instead of getting the Warriors of Chaos for free should they purchase at a later date, since "they were already in the game" (so the arguments).

But we would have never gottem them if not for this route (so a CA statement), as there would have been no budget for it.

People also "hate" the campaign mechanics and that's pretty much the only point I somewhat agree on. While Chaos is my favorite faction in the game, the campaign gameplay needs some quality of life changes.


That's pretty much why it is so hated.

[Brechnor]

Ok thanks.
It sounds like I might be better off taking this one off my wishlist and putting the beastmen/elves on for getting later instead then.
Appreciate the responses.

[goka9696]

Oh and also their units are way too expensive in MP for what they do.

That too.

[Sagranda]

Originally posted by Brechnor:

Ok thanks.
It sounds like I might be better off taking this one off my wishlist and putting the beastmen/elves on for getting later instead then.
Appreciate the responses.

If you don't mind playing with mods, there's one mod that fixes almost all the issues I personally have with the Chaos Campaign.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=743006229
No big changes, but it creates an overall better experience

With it, it is my favorite campaign.
Without it, it takes the third place


The claim that Chaos is worse than the Beastmen in every overall way also doesn't hold true in my opinion.
Chaos has some points where they are better than the Beastmen, while the Beastmen have some mechanics that sometimes just get in the way.


If I were you, I would watch some gameplay or playthrough videos on youtube above those factions and then decide.
Those usually give the best impression about how a faction plays

[spellsnare]

seriously i play chaos without mod and its not so hard to play them just get good and don't attack settlement with wall wait until you have a bigger army after go kill them

[Sargeist]

Personally, I like playing as Chaos, but I've seen alot of people say them find it boring.

Biggest problems with Chaos is replinishment outside Norsca is painfully slow and the attrition you take if you have reinforcing armies.

If you can deal with those issues, it can be a fun campaign.

[zefyris]

Well the chaos roster is the less complete of all the dlc army (but except for bretonia, the dlc is quite cheaper as well).
The hate mostly comes from it being a pre order dlc rather than a normal dlc, + it being an extremely popular factions that peoples felt should be in the base game (I'm personally more interested in wood elves and bretonia than chaos (yet neither of them are among my favourite warhammer races) so I'm not really concerned by this. I understand the logic of the argument though.

I would say that dlc isn't bad considering its lower price. I don't have the beastmen dlc (only one I don't have, because I'm not interested in beastmen at all so paying 15+€ for them is a big no thanks for me) so I cannot compare, but I'm pretty sure the content of the beastmen DLC is quite poor when compared the the WE dlc of the same price.

The campaign isn't that bad, and tbh it's probably the short campaign that is the easiest to finish in legendary by far. A few hours of deathballing with 16-17 chosen +3-4 hell canons with only auto resolve and a few agents overleveled by acting each turn and you'll get empire+ bretonia dead in a few hours= gg. if you pass the first 10 minutes nothing can really go wrong.
doing it like that is quite boring though, so that's that. But i'd rather have fun in lower difficulties that aren't that punishing for trying more original stuff, so it didn't really matter to me.

[Salty Slothy]

Originally posted by Brechnor:

What is wrong with the chaos to have a mostly negative tag? The other dlc's have mixed and mostly pos. which for steam review trolling can still be good, but this is the only one with the extreme negative one.

Is there a reason broken machanics and imbalance, or is it ethical reasons because it was in the base game already or something?

I have to say i'm quite interested in the idea of getting an army of dark warriors swooping over the land and burning everything up.

Well they aren't too fun to play because they're a horde in the most dangerous area in the game. One bad fight means you're done. Screwed.
But here's my thing. If a new halo wars was coming out and they locked the covenant behind a dlc pay wall how would you feel about that? Or if you're not a halo fan any rts where the main villain was locked behind a pay wall. Almost every single problem in the Warhammer universe can be traced back to chaos in one way or another. And since we have no other chaos factions the WoC represent chaos as a whole for all intents of purposes. Not to mention it was day one dlc.

[Kazaanh]

Pre ordered game and got it for free

No probs detected

imo chaos warriors feels kinda unfinished, they should add few units and refresh their horde mechanics to be more unique, with some potential chaos gods related-event