Bretonnia - English or French equivalent?

[Broseph]

The empire is obviously the HRE, but Bretonia is weird. They sound French but a lot of their faction seems to borrow from King Arthur lore. Are they just mashed together?

[SleepyNarwhalz]

They're mashed together, but they've always seemed a lot more French than English to me

[l33tness08]

Mashed together like a potato with butter and milk.

[deathmaster snikch]

French

[DarkFenix]

Yes, it's basically medieval France mashed together with English Arthurian legend and a couple of other English things (like longbow emphasis).

[Tango Man]

England do exist in warhammer there called albion like what the romans called the UK. but yeh bretonnia is a mix of baseically french nobles ruling over english peasants baseically so like 12th to 13th century our time.

[Timur]

It is France with parts of a warped Arthur saga as backstory, yes.

[Rhedd]

Although the British lay strong claim to the whole King Arthur thing, "Arthurian" legends are far from purely British. They're just as French.

The very first Grail story was written by a Frenchman. You may have also noticed some very important characters in Arthurian tales are French, like Launcelot.

Regardless, Warhammer Bretonnia is most like Breton. Brittany.

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

British when it comes to their Political Monarchy Rule.
Their Army is more French because of their Mighty Rule of Calvary.

[Latter-day Saint Batman™]

Yes Bretonnia is based off of the Arthurian legends which happens to also connect to actual historical records of the Plantagenet Family, who were a powerful French Royal Family that ruled England and France for many years. Thus the banner of the triple "English" leopards(Actual Norman coat of arms of William the Conqueror), and the Fleur de Lis. (Oh gosh, now I know how Richard the Lionheart slipped through France without being attacked from the movie Kingdom of Heaven. It was becuz he was French pretending to be an English King!) They had longbow men and followed Norman traditions with Knighthood, stone castles etc. I have been recently watching this mini series called Hallow Crown and in it, I saw an English soldier wear red gambeson armor along with a kettle helmet. Bretonnian soldiers wear the exact same. French style but English. Louen is the very definition of Henry the Young King all grown up. There also happens to be a castle called Montfort in Warsword Conquest, a warhammer mod for Warband so that's just a hint that Bretonnia is historically connected besides the Empire being HRE and of course Sylvania being Transylvania somehow with Kislev as Poland with a Russian Tsar, Chaos as the vikings to the North, Albion as the English but are not in the mod. Undead as Egypt, Araby as Islam, Lizardmen territories as Americas, Nippon colonies as Feudal Japan and the elfs are just the efls, dark elfs, high elfs, wood elfs. Same with the dwarfs. Brittany is the historical Kingdom of Camelot. Bretonnia is Brittany.

[Latter-day Saint Batman™]

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

FYI the English nobility historically were French (in the equivalent era) and only French was spoken in courts. Everyone else spoke Anglo-Saxonic Olde English.

So it does make sense from that standpoint.

Yep because first the Normans invaded, then the Plantagenet family ruled. All French but are technically English and I watched this documentary where there was this one King, Henry II I believe who had 12 Knights execute a traitor named Simon De Montfort who I believe became part of a legendary story of Arthurian legend. The story goes similarly to what happened to Arthur. A Knight decides to swear allegiance to the King but later on, the trust is broken between them because the Knight did something wrong. This Knight was Simon De Montfort. Then King Henry II gets mad, and so does Simon. They fight each other on the field of battle with the King winning the war and the traitor dead, brutally dead. Though I think King Henry II was actually Uther Pendragon, since his wife in legend was Eleanor of Aquitaine and Henry II's real wife was also Catherine but had many mistresses, one of them probably being Eleanor of Aquataine which adds up to Henry the Young King being born as the Future King but with a half sister and probably half brother thank to his father. Therefore the whole traitor situation must've happened to Arthur's father before in legend as well as Arthur, I just know it was mentioned in BBC's Merlin tv show, and it happened again to Arthur. That means Simon was Uther's Mordred and Uther's sister was like Morgana in a way of speaking. That could likely mean the figures after Henry II's sister and Simon is the offspring of Simon and Henry's sister who became their son known as Mordred. Then apparently, Henry the Young King also has a half sister. I believe there is also a city in Warsword Conquest named Chateau de Chinon or something along that name which historically speaking was Camelot. Henry the Young King is the historical name for the legendary King Arthur. He was a young boy who would be king and he did become king and that's where Excalibur came from too which was actually a normal sword passed down from Richard the Lionheart. This leads towards the legend where we say Arthur is the Once and Future King aka Henry the Young King who lived up to 28 years old. Therefore, Louen is Arthur Pendragon all grown up!!!)

Anglo Saxon culture was kind of wiped from the records thanks to William the Conqueror. But some Anglo Saxons did still speak it and kept it in records so thank goodness. I've always wondered why the French in France fought against their own people who were also French but English. It's odd.