Bretonnian Archers, their lore and their lack of skill...

[Gisborne]

Ok so i quote this

"Peasant Bowmen are the most basic support infantry fielded by the armies of Bretonnia. It is customary within Bretonnia for every peasant to learn, willing or not, how to use a longbow. This custom is usually enforced by a local Bretonnian Lord as a means of training their peasantry should the call to war be sounded."

Hmm ok so this was a real thing in my country of England back in the day... but what i don't understand is why the Bretonnian archers in game are WANK when they apparently by law same as Englishmen had to train (from a very young age) with a longbow weekly?

Not only would they just like the English in real life be ♥♥♥♥ing strong as ♥♥♥♥ BOI... and be able to draw over 100lb bows from their lifetime dedication of training and muscle building but they would simply put be master archers... so why the ♥♥♥ are the Bretonnian archers this ♥♥♥♥♥♥? because IMO if they did what they did like the English they would be perhapse the best archers in the game in terms of dmg, accuracy and skill...

I just bought an English Longbow IRL and had it a few weeks now, it's 50lb and it's hard for me to use, after two weeks i can now draw it ok ish but after 10 full draws im ♥♥♥♥ed and i can not hold it steady at full draw to actually aim for long.

This is my baby... https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16807283_10212545208803990_5209396743575515239_n.jpg?oh=6354e6c626d48f3f0dfb82d55b99351a&oe=5928B5A3

But i just find it a bit ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and insulting that such a powerful law that created a peasant army of master archers is treated with such arrogance in the warhammer world... is this like some ♥♥♥♥ take of the English by the English because the Bretonnian are French ish and got wrecked int he 100 years war by us? hmm...

[DaBo81]

Brets are based on the Normans and a key part of the Norman empire was England so the Brets actually represent aspects of France and England. Have you listened to the peasants voices? They don't sound French, they sound like they're from the West Country in England.

[Dandy]

They are not bad against unarmoured units if if you can keep the enemy occupied with other units but they are a waste of space in the army against armoured units.
Im pretty sure the pox and flame arrow units are not getting their kills counted correctly like the poison arrow archers in attila tw.

[SleepyNarwhalz]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Judge Fudge:

They are not bad against unarmoured units if if you can keep the enemy occupied with other units but they are a waste of space in the army against armoured units.
Im pretty sure the pox and flame arrow units are not getting their kills counted correctly like the poison arrow archers in attila tw.

Fire and poison don't have an extra damage effect. Poison is a debuff and fire makes them do extra damage against some units.

[Ape-tier Buffoonery]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SleepyNarwhalz:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Judge Fudge:

They are not bad against unarmoured units if if you can keep the enemy occupied with other units but they are a waste of space in the army against armoured units.
Im pretty sure the pox and flame arrow units are not getting their kills counted correctly like the poison arrow archers in attila tw.

Fire and poison don't have an extra damage effect. Poison is a debuff and fire makes them do extra damage against some units.

It also does affect their damage types somewhat. Fire arrows add a bonus 5 (6?) Damage but only have 1 armour pierce while pox keeps the same damage as regular arrows but gains 3 armour pierce for a total of 4.

Not great in the grand scheme but the debuff also helps against heavy armour too. I usually just run fire regardless for a general purpose.

[SleepyNarwhalz]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kunga Munga:

It also does affect their damage types somewhat. Fire arrows add a bonus 5 (6?) Damage but only have 1 armour pierce while pox keeps the same damage as regular arrows but gains 3 armour pierce for a total of 4.

Yes, but that's not from the poison/fire effects. Also pox arows have the same AP as regular arrows (3).

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kunga Munga:

Not great in the grand scheme but the debuff also helps against heavy armour too. I usually just run fire regardless for a general purpose.

The debuffs don't affect the armor at all.

[Wh!plash]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Gisborne:

Me roleplaying a Bretonnian Archer, can't hit ♥♥♥♥...

https://youtu.be/CkR0t2NvKOo

Try aiming next time. A shot drawn at the gut isn't properly aimed. You aren't holding steady either. The fast draw and then release isn't enough time to steady the bow or put in on target. Also, whenever you release the arrow, the entire bow and your arm do a nice follow through movement, you sort of jerk and swing once the pressure is release. This also impacts accuracy. Still as the grave is key.

[Ape-tier Buffoonery]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SleepyNarwhalz:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kunga Munga:

It also does affect their damage types somewhat. Fire arrows add a bonus 5 (6?) Damage but only have 1 armour pierce while pox keeps the same damage as regular arrows but gains 3 armour pierce for a total of 4.

Yes, but that's not from the poison/fire effects. Also pox arows have the same AP as regular arrows (3).

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kunga Munga:

Not great in the grand scheme but the debuff also helps against heavy armour too. I usually just run fire regardless for a general purpose.

The debuffs don't affect the armor at all.

Affects their slow speed so you can kite them easier etc

[SleepyNarwhalz]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Kunga Munga:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย SleepyNarwhalz:

Yes, but that's not from the poison/fire effects. Also pox arows have the same AP as regular arrows (3).


The debuffs don't affect the armor at all.

Affects their slow speed so you can kite them easier etc

Well yeah, but it makes it easier to kite any enemy. It doesn't make a huge difference between light/heavy armor

[Migalouch]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Wh!plash:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Gisborne:

Me roleplaying a Bretonnian Archer, can't hit ♥♥♥♥...

https://youtu.be/CkR0t2NvKOo

Try aiming next time. A shot drawn at the gut isn't properly aimed. You aren't holding steady either. The fast draw and then release isn't enough time to steady the bow or put in on target. Also, whenever you release the arrow, the entire bow and your arm do a nice follow through movement, you sort of jerk and swing once the pressure is release. This also impacts accuracy. Still as the grave is key.

His Draw Weight is too high and it's screwing up his entire form because of it. That's also why he keeps slapping himself with the string (see his picture), he isn't drawing straight back at all and that's also throwing off his shots. He needs to work out a bit and he can do it, but right now he's struggling too much with the bow and he'll never become proficient until he gets strong enough where that stops, 50lbs was a bit aggressive for a first timer. Big issue he's going to run into is if he develops crap habits while he keeps shooting as he strengthens. Should have went for a cheaper less draw weight bow to start and then upgraded to the nicer one, just my opinion though.

[HuffingJenkem]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Count_Dandyman:

I'm surprised no-one has pointed out the big issue with comparing Bretonnian peasents to the elite english archers who were so famously considered the peak of european archery.

The Bretonnians are based on the French not the english the section of the Warhammer world is Albion yep thats right in the Warhammer world we english are still the wild tribes waiting to be conquered when some group can organise long enough to stop the battlecry of Bologs being the last thing they hear.

Clearly, as a race of arrogant and xenophobic yet cultured island traders we're actually Ulthuan. We even have an evil empire of exiles across the ocean.

[Gisborne]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Wh!plash:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Gisborne:

Me roleplaying a Bretonnian Archer, can't hit ♥♥♥♥...

https://youtu.be/CkR0t2NvKOo

Try aiming next time. A shot drawn at the gut isn't properly aimed. You aren't holding steady either. The fast draw and then release isn't enough time to steady the bow or put in on target. Also, whenever you release the arrow, the entire bow and your arm do a nice follow through movement, you sort of jerk and swing once the pressure is release. This also impacts accuracy. Still as the grave is key.

https://youtu.be/EvKJcxa8x_g?t=73

This guy seems to draw low and aim high then lower and shoot. he is pretty famous and a good shot to.

[Gisborne]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Migalouch:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Wh!plash:

Try aiming next time. A shot drawn at the gut isn't properly aimed. You aren't holding steady either. The fast draw and then release isn't enough time to steady the bow or put in on target. Also, whenever you release the arrow, the entire bow and your arm do a nice follow through movement, you sort of jerk and swing once the pressure is release. This also impacts accuracy. Still as the grave is key.

His Draw Weight is too high and it's screwing up his entire form because of it. That's also why he keeps slapping himself with the string (see his picture), he isn't drawing straight back at all and that's also throwing off his shots. He needs to work out a bit and he can do it, but right now he's struggling too much with the bow and he'll never become proficient until he gets strong enough where that stops, 50lbs was a bit aggressive for a first timer. Big issue he's going to run into is if he develops crap habits while he keeps shooting as he strengthens. Should have went for a cheaper less draw weight bow to start and then upgraded to the nicer one, just my opinion though.

Todays shooting :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_enTa2ZsaFY&feature=youtu.be

[Schizoid embolism]

lol,

cool story bro.....

but stick to the archery forums, you're using a tenuous link to tell us all about your hobby. The topic was answered fully many times.

[Gisborne]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Utrecht The Godless:

lol,

cool story bro.....

but stick to the archery forums, you're using a tenuous link to tell us all about your hobby. The topic was answered fully many times.

My topic i'll do what i want in it :)

[SleepyNarwhalz]

Stop bumping the thread