Vassals and becoming a vassal?

[Dušan]

So far, I noticed that Chaos is the only faction which has vassals, correct me if I am wrong. I think all the races should be able to have vassals.
Also, you should have the option to become the vassal of a faction. There is some moments in campaign where you're guaranteed to die if you don't make peace with an faction and they aren't accepting anything you offer them. Become vassal should be an option that any faction would accept no matter how much they hate you or are in larger power. Anyone agree with this?

[Brakier]

agree fully, if you use unlocker and play as norsca faction, chaos will make you thier vassal, and its pretty cool couse you cant declare war and such on others, but you can break free from it by declaring war on chaos, pretty cool feature that they arent using for players : <

[Dawi-Zhar/Shanks]

Thats wrong, As the Empire, I made many of my opposition my vassals and subjects. You need to be attacking their last stronghold and have it as a regional capital.

[Barser]

Well vassals is broken so I wouldn't even bother.

[SleepyNarwhalz]

You can vassalize factions as people other then Chaos.

[Yulius]

As the orc i went up north, vampire were getting wrecked by dwarves and empire so i gave them a hand. They loved me for it, they only had one city left, i was the 3rd strongest faction i can tell you they didn't wait long when i offered them to be my vassals.
Now they are growing again, i boosted their economy even more (legendary difficulty) with some big money gift and together we are invading the empire allowing them to take over city as i sack them. All good.

[Franz]

I was able to have vassals playing as factions other than Chaos, both through diplomacy and war.

Originally posted by Barser:

Well vassals is broken so I wouldn't even bother.

What do you mean?

[Delta]

when i as empire take a vassal they turn against me either in their own war or as allied for an enemy, thats why i destroy everyone

[mr bigdad]

Yes, the vassal system would make for even more diplomatie and fun. You could be battling an enemy and then your vassal turns against you and you have to now fight on two sides! Wow!

[Brakier]

Originally posted by mr bigdad:

Yes, the vassal system would make for even more diplomatie and fun. You could be battling an enemy and then your vassal turns against you and you have to now fight on two sides! Wow!

yea bigdaddy agree, they need to fix so vassals dont want to break free as easy, like they get a big plus in diplo to the vassal master or something.

[mr bigdad]

Originally posted by Brakier:

Originally posted by mr bigdad:

Yes, the vassal system would make for even more diplomatie and fun. You could be battling an enemy and then your vassal turns against you and you have to now fight on two sides! Wow!

yea bigdaddy agree, they need to fix so vassals dont want to break free as easy, like they get a big plus in diplo to the vassal master or something.

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[Aric The Mad Doktor]

anyway to get the mauraders to become chaos vassals when your playing as chaos? can't seem to get them to, and it always screws me over because one of them ends up declaring war on another one and I'll be allied to both, and then while the faction I backed is being destroyed the empire and dwarfs usually swarm me with armies, tried getting the tribes to 300+ friendlieness, but still refuse to become vassals.

[Sagranda]

Originally posted by Aric The Mad Doktor:

anyway to get the mauraders to become chaos vassals when your playing as chaos? can't seem to get them to, and it always screws me over because one of them ends up declaring war on another one and I'll be allied to both, and then while the faction I backed is being destroyed the empire and dwarfs usually swarm me with armies, tried getting the tribes to 300+ friendlieness, but still refuse to become vassals.

after you have awoken them, declare war and attack them again. That way you can subjugate the norsca tribes

[Delta]

and offcourse dont awaken Vark and Skaelings if you do that cause they will declare war again

[easytarget]

No idea WTF any of you are talking about. I had multiple vassals as the wood elves in a campaign I just finished last night. Not only did I initiate them, but more than half of them were offered to me. Yeah, that's right, they offered of their own accord to become vassals.

Between vassals and miltary alliances I held 2/3s of the map I controlled indirectly.

[daelin4]

I use mods that involve vassaling, so I don't know if by nature all races can make or be made vassals to eachother.
But there ya go, if you don't like it, there's a mod that lets you vassalize everyone. Literally never was a problem with this game, I bet it was the second mod made, behind conquer anywhere.

OP is talking about being made into a vassal to an AI faction, which would be interesting. i actually think this might improve the game because players aren't turned off by something like Legendary difficulty being whooped at some point, but not defeated per se because the AI inherently makes you a vassal, giving you a second chance to rise back up without having to exit back to main menu and starting over. I'm guessing that's what OP is trying to get at.