Faction Hard-counters?

[Inverse Effect]

Wood Elves Hard Counter Bretonnia. Elves pack too many anti large units for Bret's cav to be any use.

[harleyquinrazer]

Hard to say since those anti-large units need to engage with Bretonnian cavalry to kill them. The archers on the other hand don't like Bretonnian heavy cavalry at all.

It's like saying Dwarfs are a hard counter to Wood Elves because heavy artillery and heavily armoured shooting units completely neuter the Wood Elf roster.

[董]

Originally posted by |FTG| Gattsu:

Wood Elves Hard Counter Bretonnia. Elves pack too many anti large units for Bret's cav to be any use.

Not at all, bret infantry rekts we inf easily. Realm destroys wild riders at a much cheaper costs. $350 swordsman able to deal with a wood-elf 43% more expensive spearman. Also they have nothing to deal with trebs. Not to mention brets air superiority. If theres anything, never fight a bret with wood elf. I personally do not risk that.

No such thing as real anti large in this game. Its only anti large if they r actually stupid enough to let u fight them in the first place. Cav will destroy spearman if both r charging, obviously thats what happens when u chase them coz u lose brace. Cav have so much more hp they only lose a few horses after pulling back for a recharge.

Like come on, brets inf r silver shields with 50% anti missile, ure telling me thats not hard counter to elf lol, i dont know what is.

Real hard counter.

Ud > dwf, orc, beastman
We > beastman, chaos, ud, orcs. Note that ive my own specialised strat for them.
Beastman > empire

Not really sure about the rest. Its almost impossible to find any amazing ork, chaos, beastman, dwf players.

Ex #9 leaderboard.
Currently rank 38, way too lazy or have a life to regrind back that high.

Anyway intresting to see what ppl have to say. The hardest faction to beat is still empire, bret and elf, seriously annoying factions. With the right strat, orks. chaos, dwf, undead and beastman r all free meals.

[johnmeskill275]

Vampires are the best faction

[Inverse Effect]

WE are like best counter to brets. All of their units are anti large. Archers can take out flyers with ease. Just keep a bunch of wardancers near your archers and that will push back cav.

Dwarfs i'd say counters WEs really well. High armor and Leadership on their units plus shields on a lot of their ranged units makes WE arrows limited in use.

Undead counters Chaos well. Limited chaos units that do cause fear are ineffective due to undead trait. A lot of the good chaos units aren't immune to fear. Chaos route easy.

Bret counters Vamps really good. Vamps can't use flyers vs Bret. And Undead Large units are weak vs the bret roster for the most part. Plus Bret has arty so that forces undead to attack.

Orcs can counter Empire well too.

[StarofTanuki]

Vampire count counter every thing because wind of dead and zombie spam is op.

[SleepyNarwhalz]

It all depends on the builds you pick. I have several Greenskin builds that 90% hard counter Dwarfs, but I also have a Dwarf build that 100% counters most Greenskins build.

Although I will say that Dwarfs largely counter any WE builds. I don't think I've ever lost a fight against the WE as Dwarfs.

[Fork_Q2]

Originally posted by |FTG| Gattsu:

Dwarfs i'd say counters WEs really well. High armor and Leadership on their units plus shields on a lot of their ranged units makes WE arrows limited in use.

Exactly like in the TT.

[Swimming Samurai]

Originally posted by >po|nt`|ockout<52Hz>.,~*:

Vampire count counter every thing because wind of dead and zombie spam is op.

Try to face against Green Skin Giants, then lets see if Vampires can beat them easily.

Jokes aside, Bretonnia is one of the best factions as almost everything the Empire has, Bretonnia has it either better, or more cost effective. Many of the builds for bretonnia can be very flexable from either Missiles, Infantry, and Cavalry focused builds that can really put a harsh and deadly threat to the Wood elves.

Wood elves on the other hand, do not have this same ability as they dont have the infantry to keep a good and sustain fight mainly because of their lack of armor. A cheap sword unit can deal some good hurt, same can be said with bow and lances. This does not mean that the Wood Elves suck, as they have many powerful troops that can break apart a Bretonnian army. Wild Wood Riders have been seen to be rather deadly against enemy cavalry. War Dancers are also very quick as well, making it very akward for enemy cav players to deal with them if they hold a spear because they are very quick and can easily support their own friendly cavalry.

Either way, like Legend of Total War said, 70% of the game is picking your load out. This is sadly almost true as anything you bring can give you defeat no matter how hard you try. So dont believe you will win jut because you feel like you can counter another player with the faction.

[Ulrik H.D]

Originally posted by (ZEVA) Swimming Samurai:

Originally posted by >po|nt`|ockout<52Hz>.,~*:

Vampire count counter every thing because wind of dead and zombie spam is op.

Try to face against Green Skin Giants, then lets see if Vampires can beat them easily.

Spam skeleton spearmen with a few crypt ghouls, 1 terrorgheist, 1 vargheist and a strigoi ghoul king on a terrorgheist with spirit leech and invocation of nehek and laugh as the chees build fall apart, spamming blood knights + a vampire with lore of death works too, but will take forever to win with.

[SleepyNarwhalz]

Originally posted by (ZEVA) Swimming Samurai:

Try to face against Green Skin Giants, then lets see if Vampires can beat them easily.

Giant spam is one of the most easily countered things I've played against as VCs

[Shadow_Actual]

Originally posted by SleepyNarwhalz:

Originally posted by (ZEVA) Swimming Samurai:

Try to face against Green Skin Giants, then lets see if Vampires can beat them easily.

Giant spam is one of the most easily countered things I've played against as VCs

So, how do you counter them?

[GRIMGOR]

Originally posted by Baby Mooncake:

Real hard counter.

Ud > dwf, orc, beastman

Dwarfs hard counter Vampire Counts

[GRIMGOR]

Originally posted by Shadow_Actual:

Originally posted by SleepyNarwhalz:

Giant spam is one of the most easily countered things I've played against as VCs

So, how do you counter them?

Skeleton Spearmen.

[Shadow_Actual]

Originally posted by GRIMGOR:

Originally posted by Baby Mooncake:

Real hard counter.

Ud > dwf, orc, beastman

Dwarfs hard counter Vampire Counts

How so? What unit matchups are you thinking of?

Originally posted by GRIMGOR:

Originally posted by Shadow_Actual:

So, how do you counter them?

Skeleton Spearmen.

Huh. Guess that makes sense.

[GRIMGOR]

Originally posted by Shadow_Actual:

Originally posted by GRIMGOR:

Dwarfs hard counter Vampire Counts

How so? What unit matchups are you thinking of?

Varghulf, Terrorgheist, Mortis Engine, Corpse Cart, Crypt Horrors and Blood knights all get taken out by Trollhammer Torpedo. Just add 2 units of slayers for protection which will take out any think above and summon zombies with ease.