Lord/hero Melee AOE friendly fire?

[Sparda]

I have noticed that my lords/heroes hit my own troops with melee strikes. I know it knocks down my own troops which is dumb but do you guys know if this causes Friendly fire damage?

[johnmeskill275]

I think only ranged attacks and like monsters falling on people can cause friendly fire

[harleyquinrazer]

No friendly fire from lord/hero melee splash damage.

[Sparda]

so they just hit and knock down friendlys that are near the melee strike with no damage, I hope they fix that. I dont think Karl franz would be hammering his own troops even if it didnt hurt them. it interupts friendlys from attacking.

[harleyquinrazer]

The splash effect doesn't discriminate when it comes to knockback but it doesn't deal friendly fire damage. Not sure if it needs a "fix" since removing the animation for friendly troops is probably going to be more trouble than it is worth.

The detrimental effect on the damage dealy by friendly soldiers nearby is overstated. If you're ganging up on something big or very heavily armoured, then the friendly soldiers nearby (those who get knocked back) tend to do little to no damage anyway.

[Sparda]

yes i understand but like i said before do you guys think that having the lord hit friendly troops with constent melee strikes seem kinda odd? This cant be somthing they intended in my opinion, it just breaks some imersion for me my lords going "Oops sorry bud, Oops my bad, damn guys cant you duck!?". This is still my fav TW game to date but this really needs to go.

[SleepyNarwhalz]

If they didn't it would mess up the animations a bunch.

[Mactalon]

Originally posted by Sparda:

yes i understand but like i said before do you guys think that having the lord hit friendly troops with constent melee strikes seem kinda odd? This cant be somthing they intended in my opinion, it just breaks some imersion for me my lords going "Oops sorry bud, Oops my bad, damn guys cant you duck!?". This is still my fav TW game to date but this really needs to go.

I quite like it, adds to the more titanic feel of the character's strikes and doesn't have any noticeable effect on the combat itself.

[Sparda]

Originally posted by Mactalon:

Originally posted by Sparda:

yes i understand but like i said before do you guys think that having the lord hit friendly troops with constent melee strikes seem kinda odd? This cant be somthing they intended in my opinion, it just breaks some imersion for me my lords going "Oops sorry bud, Oops my bad, damn guys cant you duck!?". This is still my fav TW game to date but this really needs to go.

I quite like it, adds to the more titanic feel of the character's strikes and doesn't have any noticeable effect on the combat itself.

/facepalm
ok forget i said anything. I guess im the only one who thinks its dumb the lords hit there own troops with melee strikes.
And to Harley they dont need to remove the animation or the splash effect to the enemies. Just make it not knock down friendy troops like in DOW3 were the Elite heroes do crazy AOE melee strikes that cause huge explosions that just pass through friendly troops. I know its a different kind of game but thats all i think is needed nothing as extreme as removing anything.

[Chibbity]

Originally posted by Sparda:

Originally posted by Mactalon:

I quite like it, adds to the more titanic feel of the character's strikes and doesn't have any noticeable effect on the combat itself.

/facepalm
ok forget i said anything. I guess im the only one who thinks its dumb the lords hit there own troops with melee strikes.

No, it is dumb.

Also, it does have an effect on combat, since your troops can't attack while they are being thrown about.

Any chance this is something that it would be possible to mod out I wonder?

[Sparda]

Originally posted by Chibbity:

Originally posted by Sparda:

/facepalm
ok forget i said anything. I guess im the only one who thinks its dumb the lords hit there own troops with melee strikes.

No, it is dumb.

Also, it does have an effect on combat, since your troops can't attack while they are being thrown about.

Any chance this is something that it would be possible to mod out I wonder?

That would be great. I would like to know if thats possible aswell.

[SleepyNarwhalz]

Again, it would mess up the animations very badly. Imagine a lord on a gryphon swoops down into the enemy troops and does a spin. Under the normal game, it would knock over all the enemies and a few allies if they're close. If we removed that the lord would just what, phase through them?

[Sparda]

Originally posted by SleepyNarwhalz:

Again, it would mess up the animations very badly. Imagine a lord on a gryphon swoops down into the enemy troops and does a spin. Under the normal game, it would knock over all the enemies and a few allies if they're close. If we removed that the lord would just what, phase through them?

Why on earth would we want to remove that?!? Who said to remove anything ? just make it to were it does not effect friendly troops. just like evry other game. Keep the animation, kill the bad guys, friendlys are immune. problem solved.

My ubove example is DOW3 were the hero units preform massive AOE melee hits that do NOT effect friendly troops, it just passes through them.

I dont see how having the melee strikes AOE not knock back friendly troops would mess up animations. The Gryphon or dragon swooping in I can live with thats a huge beast but im talking about on foot heroes or on calv. Im even ok if the lord has the blind perk and then starts hitting my troops, that would be funny but the problem still stands. It is not lore friendly for Karl franz or Thorgrim to Go hitting there own troops.

[Mactalon]

Originally posted by Chibbity:

Originally posted by Sparda:

/facepalm
ok forget i said anything. I guess im the only one who thinks its dumb the lords hit there own troops with melee strikes.

No, it is dumb.

Also, it does have an effect on combat, since your troops can't attack while they are being thrown about.

Any chance this is something that it would be possible to mod out I wonder?

"My ubove example is DOW3 were the hero units preform massive AOE melee hits that do NOT effect friendly troops, it just passes through them.

I dont see how having the melee strikes AOE not knock back friendly troops would mess up animations. The Gryphon or dragon swooping in I can live with thats a huge beast but im talking about on foot heroes or on calv. Im even ok if the lord has the blind perk and then starts hitting my troops, that would be funny but the problem still stands. It is not lore friendly for Karl franz or Thorgrim to Go hitting there own troops."


The second or two they're down hardly has any effect, especially as the enemy troops get knocked down more plus get killed/damaged by the hits.

I also think it's not that unrealistic. People knock each other down by accident during sports games, battles with monsters, magic weapons and giant superhuman leaders are probably more likely to cause a knockdown like that, hell real battles often ended up with half the people fighting on the ground, it's why every combat form has abilities you learn while you're on your back.

And DoW3's animations look awful at the best of times (I cringe every time I see that stupid backflipping terminator) and again is a very different game like you said, friendly fire is part of the game because of the reasons I just mentioned and is in its own way Lore Friendly, especially for the two characters you picked. Franz and Thorgrim are both using weapons made/wielded by gods, a little bit of knockback on everyone isn't that bizzare XD

[Sparda]

I have alot of warhammer novels, karl franz is a surgeon with that hammer. Its a hammer not a cannon. He saved one of his troops by splitting a orks head wide open wihout any friendly damage. So no there is no knockback on evryone. Hell even Gotrek uses his starmetel axe like a maniac and felix has never been struck by him during a battle with that axe. Gotrek has been known to kill up to 4 things with one sweep.

Now please dont give me the argument that in real life accedents happen. yes im aware but with every swing my lord makes when friendlys are behind him they get hit by the AOE cant be chalked off as accedents every time. If that happend in a sport they would throw that team member out of the game.

I find it hard to believe that this couldent be fixed, its not normal to hit your troops all the time. there is no reason you can come up with that makes it ok to have MELEE friendly fire.

[Mactalon]

I was using sports as the basic example i.e. it would and did happen FAR more in combat, if anything they already take out a huge majority of the friendly fire that should technically happen.

There's also a reason Felix stands well behind and to the side of Gotrek in every battle, because he knows he'd get in the way XD Tightly packed formation battles would not be ideal for him. He and Franz may still be surgical with their weapons in the novels as well but the translation into game is never going to be perfect like that.

There are dozens of good reasons from either battle or techincal standpoints to have melee friendly fire you just don't like them for your battles, fair enough.