三國志13

三國志13

Saruman the White 2016 年 8 月 29 日 下午 11:15
Zhang Liang So ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ underpowered
Seriously, I roam around the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ world debating every merchant I can and placating every town I can because in nearly every. single. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ROTK game Zhang Liang was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bad ass in tactics, diplomacy, politics and strategy. But in this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game all he has is political abilities, coax, negotiate and other ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that has nothing to do with strategy. What. The. ♥♥♥♥.
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Pain 2016 年 8 月 29 日 下午 11:37 
INT has no factor in battle in this installment. Zhuge is actually overpowered in this one, ESPECIALLY his strategy.
XYZEXPIRED 2016 年 8 月 30 日 上午 1:21 
At first, I thought you actual mean Zhang Liang the bandit, or Zhang Liang (the strategist of Liu Bang) and the you go on to complain that he is underpower when in fact, I almost can't defeat him in debate as Xu Shu.
heinous won 2016 年 8 月 30 日 上午 3:06 
I know what OP is talking about, he is good for debates but has zero battle abilities. Not even Strategy which all the top strategists of the period got. He is supposed to be pretty even with Zhuge Liang but nope.
Pain 2016 年 8 月 30 日 上午 6:10 
You guys obviously don't know how to use him correctly. Zhuge by himself in a unit isn't going to win a battle; you have to utilize him with a bunch of surrounding allied units around him, then use his skill which completely makes any unit effected pretty damn strong. He's actually #2 in total abilities points and stats so idk how you guys think he's underpowered.
Saruman the White 2016 年 8 月 30 日 上午 9:07 
Guys, I am not talking about Zhuge Liang, the strategist of Shu. I am talking about ZHANG Liang, the guy you unlock as an original officer after you win 100 debates. In history, this guy defeated the GREATEST GENERAL IN CHINESE HISTORY and established the Han dynasty, but all he gets to show for it are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ abilities that have nothing to do with warfare. It ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sucks.
Saruman the White 2016 年 8 月 30 日 上午 9:09 
引用自 XYZExpiReD
At first, I thought you actual mean Zhang Liang the bandit, or Zhang Liang (the strategist of Liu Bang) and the you go on to complain that he is underpower when in fact, I almost can't defeat him in debate as Xu Shu.

Oh wow, he can debate! SO GUD. /s

If you try to use him in a battle he is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ useless and gets owned. That has never happened in any ROTK game. He was always a beast.
XYZEXPIRED 2016 年 8 月 30 日 下午 5:26 
According to history, Han Xin was the guy who actually defeated all those other general you are talking about not Zhang Liang, he is good as a strategist but if you said he defeated Han Xin (the greatest general around that time). Unless you are call Xiang Yu the greatest, you are dead wrong as he is the strongest like Lu Bu but only a little bit smarter than Lu Bu, comparable to Sun Ce hence why they all die young.
Also, in this game, you can learn all the skill in game so I don't know why you would be complaining about it, not like other ROTK game where the skill are fix and you cannot gain more. You want an OP tactic, go be friend with general like Zhang Yue (other game they call him Zhang He), his tactic is OP.
最后由 XYZEXPIRED 编辑于; 2016 年 8 月 30 日 下午 10:46
heinous won 2016 年 8 月 30 日 下午 5:53 
引用自 XYZExpiReD
According to history, Han Xin was the guy who actually defeated all those other general you are talking about not Zhang Liang, he is good as a strategist but if you said he defeated Han Xin (the greatest general around that time). Unless you are call Xiang Yu the greatest, you are dead wrong as he is the strongest like Lu Bu but only a little bit smarter than Lu Bu, comparable to Sun Ce hence why they all die young.
Also, in this game, you can learn all the skill in game so I don't know why you would be complaining about it, not like other ROTK game where the skill are fix and you cannot gain more. You want an OP tactic, go be friend with general like Zhang Hu (other game they call him Zhang He), his tactic is OP.

Topic creator's point is, Zhang Liang is a strategist but unlike all of the TK top strategists, he has a really poor ability pool.

Yes you can make friends to raise those abilities but this is Zhang Liang, he is supposed to be just as OP as Zhuge Liang.
Saruman the White 2016 年 8 月 30 日 下午 10:13 
引用自 XYZExpiReD
According to history, Han Xin was the guy who actually defeated all those other general you are talking about not Zhang Liang, he is good as a strategist but if you said he defeated Han Xin (the greatest general around that time). Unless you are call Xiang Yu the greatest, you are dead wrong as he is the strongest like Lu Bu but only a little bit smarter than Lu Bu, comparable to Sun Ce hence why they all die young.
Also, in this game, you can learn all the skill in game so I don't know why you would be complaining about it, not like other ROTK game where the skill are fix and you cannot gain more. You want an OP tactic, go be friend with general like Zhang Hu (other game they call him Zhang He), his tactic is OP.

Zhang Liang is the one who intercepted and defeated Fan Zeng's strategy at the Feast of Hong Gate. Fan Zeng gets a 7 in strategy for god knows what reason. Zhang Liang thwarted him, and his strategy ability is 0. Sound fair?

Not convinced? Zhang Liang is the one who masterminded Liu Bang's conquest and settlement of Chu. That alone should get Zhang Liang points in abilities such as Overawe (for keeping the army large enough to subdue the huge region), strategy, or maybe speed, but Zhang Liang doesn't have a single point in any of these abilities.

Edit: BONUS ROUND, Xiang Yu actually DID defeat Han Xin and Han Xin's defeats isolated himself from Liu Bang mentally and physically because Liu Bang did not trust Han Xin. It was only after ZHANG LIANG consoled him and then proceeded to use a combination of MILITARY and diplomatic maneuvers to cut of Xiang Yu that Han Xin was actually able to defeat him at Gai Xia.

Zhang Liang's current set of abilities seem perfect for Xiao He, not himself. Zhang Liang didn't even take care of many domestic matters despite being good at them. It also takes a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of time to learn and max abilities properly and my game is too unstable to get Zhang Liang the abilities he deserves.
最后由 Saruman the White 编辑于; 2016 年 8 月 30 日 下午 10:20
Saruman the White 2016 年 8 月 30 日 下午 10:15 
引用自 heinous won
引用自 XYZExpiReD
According to history, Han Xin was the guy who actually defeated all those other general you are talking about not Zhang Liang, he is good as a strategist but if you said he defeated Han Xin (the greatest general around that time). Unless you are call Xiang Yu the greatest, you are dead wrong as he is the strongest like Lu Bu but only a little bit smarter than Lu Bu, comparable to Sun Ce hence why they all die young.
Also, in this game, you can learn all the skill in game so I don't know why you would be complaining about it, not like other ROTK game where the skill are fix and you cannot gain more. You want an OP tactic, go be friend with general like Zhang Hu (other game they call him Zhang He), his tactic is OP.

Topic creator's point is, Zhang Liang is a strategist but unlike all of the TK top strategists, he has a really poor ability pool.

Yes you can make friends to raise those abilities but this is Zhang Liang, he is supposed to be just as OP as Zhuge Liang.

THIS ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ GUY GETS IT. Zhuge Liang, Xun Yu, every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ strategist in the game was compared as equal to Zhang Liang, the guy who formed the Han Dynasty while Liu Bang ♥♥♥♥♥♥ prostitutes, got wasted, and killed his subordinates. Yet they are all EXTREMELY superior in abilities to the very guy they are being compared. Zhang Liang has similar abilities to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Chen Qun. Do you know what Chen Qun ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ did? He colonized some areas in the north. THATS IT. Zhang Liang FORGED A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DYNASTY, yet his abilitites barely compare to his peers and compare more favorably to some scrub who colonized a few towns in the mountains.
Towerbooks3192 2016 年 8 月 31 日 上午 9:40 
Seems like most are underpowered. Heck i do remember in XI that I love characters such as Zhang Liao and even got scared facing him. Like getting hit with his Majesty ability and draining your will was pretty scary.
Pain 2016 年 8 月 31 日 上午 10:33 
引用自 Towerbooks3192
Seems like most are underpowered. Heck i do remember in XI that I love characters such as Zhang Liao and even got scared facing him. Like getting hit with his Majesty ability and draining your will was pretty scary.
Yeah he was extremely intimidating because of his skill in XI. I thought he would get a better skill then the one he has now(something like thousand slayer but more mobility, but less attack boost) with a lower morale feature, seeing as how his greatest feat was a total onslaught of the massive Wu army that had everyone panicking and running for their lives(looking at you Sun Quan, Xu Sheng).
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